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Rebel10 wrote:The problem was not the hiring. The problem was not firing him after the ASU fiasco. Would you agree with that IPP?

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:

Rebel10 wrote:The problem was not the hiring. The problem was not firing him after the ASU fiasco. Would you agree with that IPP?

Yes Rebel10....now in hindsight I think that would have been best.
At the time after watching our success I did not support firing him then.
My thinking was...whoaa...I am enjoying these bowls, etc...we'll survive.
But yes in hindsight....I now see he should have been fired.
I never thought he would give up trying after ASU...but he did.

gostangs wrote:it would have been messy - but we should have fired him for cause when we discovered he was contacting SMU recruits about switching to ASU. Say he breached his contract and stop paying him. He would have sued - and we would have ended up in a settlement - but that would have been cheaper than what actually happened.

Any new coach candidate turned off by that is not who we would have wanted anyway.

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:

Rebel10 wrote:The problem was not the hiring. The problem was not firing him after the ASU fiasco. Would you agree with that IPP?

Yes Rebel10....now in hindsight I think that would have been best.
At the time after watching our success I did not support firing him then.
My thinking was...whoaa...I am enjoying these bowls, etc...we'll survive.
But yes in hindsight....I now see he should have been fired.
I never thought he would give up trying after ASU...but he did.

Rebel10 wrote:There were a lot of people that had the beaten wife syndrome that thought that SMU could not do any better than Jones like Mexmustang, most of the COC, JasonB etc. Mexmustang even said that the June Jones years were the best the school would ever see so firing him would be the worst thing they could do. I guess they found out now that keeping was even worse. Now he is publicly bad mouthing the school again.

Rebel10 I was a June supporter, but I never thought 7 wins and small time bowls would be the end-game. I did however cheer loudly when we went from complete darkness to bowl games. How could anyone not have enjoyed this after where we had been?



I believed we were taking "baby steps" because SMU would never be able to pull off a miracle run like say a Miss State. I assumed we would continue progressing...after-all we went from terrible to at least being on the post-season map again. I did not however foresee June throwing in the towel and just giving up.

I think we can get to regular 8-9 win seasons with the right coach,
and maybe 10 wins every so often. I think some poeple don't fully
realize how fun 9-10 win seasons could be for us.

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:

Rebel10 wrote:There were a lot of people that had the beaten wife syndrome that thought that SMU could not do any better than Jones like Mexmustang, most of the COC, JasonB etc. Mexmustang even said that the June Jones years were the best the school would ever see so firing him would be the worst thing they could do. I guess they found out now that keeping was even worse. Now he is publicly bad mouthing the school again.

Rebel10 I was a June supporter, but I never thought 7 wins and small time bowls would be the end-game. I did however cheer loudly when we went from complete darkness to bowl games. How could anyone not have enjoyed this after where we had been?



I believed we were taking "baby steps" because SMU would never be able to pull off a miracle run like say a Miss State. I assumed we would continue progressing...after-all we went from terrible to at least being on the post-season map again. I did not however foresee June throwing in the towel and just giving up.

I think we can get to regular 8-9 win seasons with the right coach,
and maybe 10 wins every so often. I think some poeple don't fully
realize how fun 9-10 win seasons could be for us.

gord wrote:
Hindsight is always 20/20, but I don't know if a reasonable person could foresee a winless season three years after making three straight bowl games.

SMU 86 wrote:But June has effectively set the program back at least 4 years. It will probably take, as stated in another thread, the next coach 3 or 4 good recruiting classes to get SMU to anywhere near that point.

Stallion wrote:A skeptic's review of the pseudoscience of Brain Typing-compares the guy to Tony Robbins and claims there is no scientific support for Brain Typing. Could this be the unstated reason to come to SMU-to include Brain Typing as part of the new curriculum in the then new College of Education Applied Physiology major? Maybe he has some kind of financial interest-he's been following this guy for decades and is on the board of his Institute.

http://skepdic.com/braintyping.html

aus10fromhous10 wrote:

Stallion wrote:A skeptic's review of the pseudoscience of Brain Typing-compares the guy to Tony Robbins and claims there is no scientific support for Brain Typing. Could this be the unstated reason to come to SMU-to include Brain Typing as part of the new curriculum in the then new College of Education Applied Physiology major? Maybe he has some kind of financial interest-he's been following this guy for decades and is on the board of his Institute.

http://skepdic.com/braintyping.html

Reminds me of that class they offer at SMU, "The Scientific Method - Debunking Pseudoscience." If SMU had hired Niednagel, he no doubt would have butted heads with the professors who have been teaching that class for the past 10+ years:

This course will provide students with an understanding of the scientific method sufficient to detect pseudoscience in its many guises: paranormal phenomena, free-energy devices, alternative medicine, intelligent design creationism/creation science, denial of human-induced climate change, propaganda, denial of science-based medicine, misuse of data and statistics, and many others. Students will learn to think critically and creatively and to question outlandish claims, hype, propaganda, outright nonsense.

http://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/goals.html

couch 'em wrote:

aus10fromhous10 wrote:Reminds me of that class they offer at SMU, "The Scientific Method - Debunking Pseudoscience." If SMU had hired Niednagel, he no doubt would have butted heads with the professors who have been teaching that class for the past 10+ years:

This course will provide students with an understanding of the scientific method sufficient to detect pseudoscience in its many guises: paranormal phenomena, free-energy devices, alternative medicine, intelligent design creationism/creation science, denial of human-induced climate change, propaganda, denial of science-based medicine, misuse of data and statistics, and many others. Students will learn to think critically and creatively and to question outlandish claims, hype, propaganda, outright nonsense.

http://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/goals.html

Best class I took at SMU. Should be required for all students.

StallionsModelT wrote:After leaving SMU high and dry with the worst team in America there isn't a D1A program in the country that would let June Jones be its head coach. His offense is a dinosaur, his recruiting is terrible, his personality is apathetic, and he's old. His head coaching days at the D1A level are over. Even Hawaii would be crazy to make him HC.

The thing with June is that the narrative always changes to fit his version of the truth. We don't have the academic support, we don't have an IPF, we don't have enough fans in the stands, we have too tough of a schedule, we need to move the stadium lights, etc.....

All of this goes back to Arizona State. Sadly, our leadership at the time still had battered wife syndrome and couldn't/wouldn't cut bait with June. That's my real concern with this next coaching decision. Will we actually hold this staff to a standard of excellence? We gave June extensions and millions for mediocrity. I just don't know that we hold our football program to any sort of standard at all.