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Stallion wrote:Actually no I think there is going to be further realignment before the next TV renegotiation of the P5 happens --specifically the Big 12 in 2025. That's when we have to be in a position to get added to what might be a left-over Big 12 but with schools like Baylor, TCU, Tech, Kansas St, West Virginia, Houston--maybe Oklahoma St-maybe Kansas and likely UCF, USF, Cincy, Colorado St

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Stallion wrote:Right all of those long list of schools are ahead of us on the field from the broader perspective plus have more than 8,000 real fans. Where does that leave SMU? Should we send you to the Conference expansion negotiations so you can explain that really SMU fans have all these great excuses why nobody gives a damn about SMU Football. Should go over great!!!

Stallion wrote:Right all of those long list of schools are ahead of us on the field from the broader perspective plus have more than 8,000 real fans. Where does that leave SMU? Should we send you to the Conference expansion negotiations so you can explain that really SMU fans have all these great excuses dating back 30-even 50 years-why nobody gives a damn about SMU Football. Should go over great!!!

Stallion wrote:And when you go explain that EXCUSE---opps-REASON-- to the Big 12 expansion committee they'll politely tell you Thanks You for the wonderful presentation-we think we're going in another direction.

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Stallion wrote:Actually no I think there is going to be further realignment before the next TV renegotiation of the P5 happens --specifically the Big 12 in 2025. That's when we have to be in a position to get added to what might be a left-over Big 12 but with schools like Baylor, TCU, Tech, Kansas St, West Virginia, Houston--maybe Oklahoma St-maybe Kansas and likely UCF, USF, Cincy, Colorado St

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LOL. This article is beyond stupid.

And moreover, attendance is but one metric that will be a part of the equation in any possible realignment. Academics, location, financial commitment, powerful decision-makers, etc. will be equally if not more important than attendance. Oh, and WINNING. We might actually want to try doing that for a chance and before you spew BOWL GAME what I mean by winning is contending for conference championships. All the schools you cited (USF, UCF, Cincinnati, UH, SDSU, Boise,etc.) have had double digit win seasons or won their conference. SMU has not even come close to this. Coach Cliché left the program better than he found it. Hopefully Coach Dykes can get us over the hump and not pound his chest declaring MISSION ACCOMPLISHED in a season where his best win was against North freaking Texas.

mustangxc wrote: It will not happen overnight, but if our university makes a big effort to help the Dallas community I am sure we will be able to fill our 32,000 seat stadium for 6 home games each season no matter who the opponent is. Right now Dallas sees us as "them" and we need to change that perception to one of "us".

mustangxc wrote:While Sonny Dykes was not my first choice, I have full confidence in his ability to achieve the same level of success we experienced under June Jones and Chad Morris. I even think he can lead us to 8-9 wins. However, SMU's biggest issue in raising the level of the program to greater heights is attendance. The biggest issue with attendance is our generalized snobby/elitist attitude as perceived by the general public. What can we do to change that? COMMUNITY SERVICE!!! SMU is used to throwing money at its problems, but this is one that requires our full engagement. We need to attract students that are big on community service and engage our alumni to help build equity in the Dallas community. We may even need to pay some of our employees to do outreach in the community. USC was in the lower echelon of the top 50 US News rankings in the late 90s and in 1999 Time Magazine named it the college of the year 2000 due to its amazing efforts in community service in the area surrounding the university which is anything but affluent. As soon as that happened applications spiked and they went from a 50% acceptance rate in 1999 to a 25% acceptance rate the following year. These statistics were quoted to me at an acceptance party hosted in Houston in March of 2000. It will not happen overnight, but if our university makes a big effort to help the Dallas community I am sure we will be able to fill our 32,000 seat stadium for 6 home games each season no matter who the opponent is. Right now Dallas sees us as "them" and we need to change that perception to one of "us".

Stallion wrote:Because he's attacking a straw-man in Turner who he blames on multiple SMU boards for every single problem that has ever existed in SMU athletics. Turner really isn't responsible for the W-L record of either the Bowl bound Football team or the NCAA Tournament Basketball team. Turner deserves plenty of blame for taking too long to clear academic barriers that remained until 2008 admittedly but that required changing school administrative regulations, appointing new faculty and leadership and building a brand new College of Education at substantial expenses to the university. He did successfully destroy the last remaining remnants of a long list of academic restraints in the SMU Academic Model which made it impossible for SMU to compete with its natural and traditional rivals.

Turner is responsible for 3 straight great hires in Larry Brown, Chad Morris and Jankovich and now one that quite frankly is rather yawn inducing. I think its fair to say many thought he pulled a coup in signing June Jones-although I personally think they were looking at all the wrong criteria for a successful coach at a private school in Dallas. June Jones is responsible for being a lazy, incompetent recruiter which literally set this program back for half a decade. Now at least SMU seems to be more properly focused on the proper traits that are required to be a successful program in Dallas, Texas.

Turner is responsible for fund raising for school and athletic improvements. Despite the [deleted] he has been quite successful in raising oh I dunno lets throw out $275,000,000 (unadjusted for annual inflation-so much much more in 2017 dollars) for athletic facility improvements since 2000-which is 1/4 of our school endowment. Athletic improvements 1954-2000 essentially nothing worthwhile or worth mentioning.

Turner isn't responsible when only 8,000 fans want to attend our games, he's not responsible for the fact it took 3 years rather than a few months to obtain funding for the IPF. The real problem since 2008 has not been Turner--its been SMU's alumni, family and friends don't care too damn terribly much about College Football. SMU fans are tying our Coaches' hands behind their back in recruiting by their apathetic support of the football team on game day which chases off more top football prospects than you can imagine. The Pony Express never would have existed without Mustang Mania which filled the stands prior to the date they signed their Letters of Intent.

1017 Mustang wrote:

mustangxc wrote:While Sonny Dykes was not my first choice, I have full confidence in his ability to achieve the same level of success we experienced under June Jones and Chad Morris. I even think he can lead us to 8-9 wins. However, SMU's biggest issue in raising the level of the program to greater heights is attendance. The biggest issue with attendance is our generalized snobby/elitist attitude as perceived by the general public. What can we do to change that? COMMUNITY SERVICE!!! SMU is used to throwing money at its problems, but this is one that requires our full engagement. We need to attract students that are big on community service and engage our alumni to help build equity in the Dallas community. We may even need to pay some of our employees to do outreach in the community. USC was in the lower echelon of the top 50 US News rankings in the late 90s and in 1999 Time Magazine named it the college of the year 2000 due to its amazing efforts in community service in the area surrounding the university which is anything but affluent. As soon as that happened applications spiked and they went from a 50% acceptance rate in 1999 to a 25% acceptance rate the following year. These statistics were quoted to me at an acceptance party hosted in Houston in March of 2000. It will not happen overnight, but if our university makes a big effort to help the Dallas community I am sure we will be able to fill our 32,000 seat stadium for 6 home games each season no matter who the opponent is. Right now Dallas sees us as "them" and we need to change that perception to one of "us".

100% this. SMU's issues attracting fans, "top recruits," and even play on the field are endemic to SMU's current culture.

We've peaked as a school and football program with the way we are currently.