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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby mustangxc » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:59 pm

The reason I want you to get vaccinated is that I want to put an end to COVID-19. I am safe from the current strains of COVID-19 thanks to the two doses of Pfizer vaccine. If everyone in the world gets vaccinated, the virus will eventually lose hosts. On the other hand, if we have a large population of unvaccinated people throughout the world my fear is that the virus will mutate and rather than be a simple drift, there will eventually be a dramatic shift and our vaccines will not be effective against the new strains. I don't think anyone wants to go back to 2020 lockdowns unless you own Amazon and Walmart.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby BUS » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:07 pm

Make your own choice Pony Boy.
You live in the land of the free and home of the brave.

For like 15 months now, I have been taking care of and now visiting my 95 year old mother. I do take precautions.
500 MG Quercitin/Day
500 MG Zinc /Day
D3 1,400 IU/Day
K2 25 mcg /Day
C 1000 MG/Day

This came to me from a DR friend and nobody has gotten anything. COULD be luck but there is science behind it. And the number prove something.

Make your choice.
Always good to get others opinion.

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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby JasonB » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:22 pm

BUS wrote:Make your own choice Pony Boy.
You live in the land of the free and home of the brave.

For like 15 months now, I have been taking care of and now visiting my 95 year old mother. I do take precautions.
500 MG Quercitin/Day
500 MG Zinc /Day
D3 1,400 IU/Day
K2 25 mcg /Day
C 1000 MG/Day

This came to me from a DR friend and nobody has gotten anything. COULD be luck but there is science behind it. And the number prove something.

Make your choice.
Always good to get others opinion.

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There is zero science behind that approach.

You are building up your immune system, which is awesome. It will help you battle any disease that you end up getting - Covid, a cold, the flu, etc.

But it doesn't prevent you from getting anything. Nor does it prevent you from spreading it to others.

In fact, the humorous bit is that there is a lot more evidence supporting both the positive benefits and rarity of negative side effects from the vaccine than from the cocktail of supplements listed above.

Covid and the vaccine has been studied so much that you are literally choosing to be afraid of the science around something heavily investigated in favor of a cocktail that is a complete unknown.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it?

BTW, I found this:

When taken by mouth: Quercetin is POSSIBLY SAFE for most people when taken short-term. Quercetin has been safely used in amounts up to 500 mg twice daily for 12 weeks. It is not known if long-term use or higher doses are safe.

When given by IV: Quercetin is POSSIBLY SAFE when given in appropriate amounts. Side effects may include flushing, sweating, nausea, vomiting, difficulty breathing, or pain at the injection site. But large doses are POSSIBLY UNSAFE. There have been reports of kidney damage at higher doses.

There are potential side effects around pretty much everything out there. And I get it that wading through those side effects can get pretty confusing. Which is why you should follow the advice of the medical community, epidemiologists, and the CDC and go get the freaking vaccine.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby malonish » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:28 pm

Economical approach:

cost of supplement cocktails that have no backing to prove they actually do anything and zero FDA trials
vs
free vaccine with three phases of trials that has 95% effectiveness at preventing infection and if infection occurs almost 0 chance of serious illness. Bonus points for being heavily studied and no systematic negative effects other than soreness and cold-like symptoms that are normal for vaccination.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby mustangxc » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:07 pm

BUS wrote:Make your own choice Pony Boy.
You live in the land of the free and home of the brave.

For like 15 months now, I have been taking care of and now visiting my 95 year old mother. I do take precautions.
500 MG Quercitin/Day
500 MG Zinc /Day
D3 1,400 IU/Day
K2 25 mcg /Day
C 1000 MG/Day

This came to me from a DR friend and nobody has gotten anything. COULD be luck but there is science behind it. And the number prove something.

Make your choice.
Always good to get others opinion.

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Vitamin D is said to have a link to help boost the immune system in the fight against COVID-19. However, Zinc and Vitamin C are not preventative. They are both co-factors in repair. They only help speed up recovery once you do get sick. Vitamin C is a co-factor for collagen production. Zinc is part of wound healing too. They are very beneficial once you do get sick but there is no evidence they are preventative. As such I take Vitamin D daily, as I was deficient in my CBC anyway, but only take Vitamin C and Zinc when I do get sick. Vitamin K is a co-factor for blood clotting.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby BUS » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:19 pm

I guess you missed the part about the Doctor giving me this. Glad you are happy. I am also.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby mustangxc » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:58 pm

BUS wrote:I guess you missed the part about the Doctor giving me this. Glad you are happy. I am also.
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I'm in medical school.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby BUS » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:22 pm

Good for you. Remember your oath.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby Mustangs_Maroons » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:34 pm

No name calling. That’s not productive. For those that don’t know what vaccines can do, read this:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/di ... eases.html

Ever hear of anyone that has polio in the U.S.? Exactly - that’s because it was eradicated because of vaccines. We’re privileged to have access to vaccines. Take them. The vaccine will not kill you but Covid will.

Also, most people don’t give a [deleted] if you don’t take the vaccine if it only impacts you, but when the non-vaccination can impact others families then it’s a problem. There is no vaccine for children under 12 yet, if one of your young children got Covid from his teacher who was not vaccinated, and then the child passed it on to other members of the family, including grandparents, then what will that person say? You need herd immunity. You need enough people to take the vaccine otherwise we’re back to square one and this damn thing will never go away. Read up on why herd immunity is important.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20486808
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby EastStang » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:45 am

Be careful with Zinc, too much and it kills your taste buds. I thought 50 mg was the recommended dosage. Not a doctor but looked it up and used it before they had the vaccine. Was probably out and about more than most during COVID and never caught it. So, it might have helped. Maybe it was the gin and tonics, who knows.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby PerunaPunch » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:42 am

Opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal
"Another reversal in thinking may be imminent. Some scientists have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated. But the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking—for now."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-covid- ... _now_opn_1
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby Dukie » Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:49 am

PerunaPunch wrote:Opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal
"Another reversal in thinking may be imminent. Some scientists have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated. But the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking—for now."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-covid- ... _now_opn_1


It doesn't take much looking to see that the authors of this piece are hydroxycholoroquine-pushing, false-data-about-vaccinated-people-making-up-a-majority-of-April-2021-COVID-cases clowns. They have degrees (of dubious relation to pharmacology and vaccines, in general) and work at respectable institutions, but that does not save them from being fringe voices spouting nonsense. And when you click through the one link they offer to the "scientists" they are citing, you find that there are a whopping FOUR of them, one of which is ... not a scientist at all but rather a "global drug safety advocate" with no apparent training at all.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby JasonB » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:16 pm

PerunaPunch wrote:Opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal
"Another reversal in thinking may be imminent. Some scientists have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated. But the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking—for now."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-covid- ... _now_opn_1


Notice that there is actually zero proof provided about "the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking - for now".

The reason he doesn't give examples is that the scientific community has held very open and consistent conversations about the vaccines as well as the alternative treatments for Covid. Just because the news doesn't carry all of those boring, fact-based conversations, doesn't mean that they don't happen. All of those scientists have raised concerns about the risks of the vaccines in very public forums and the scientific community has responded by investigating the concerns in order to gain more clarity. You know, the scientific process. Luckily for all of us, neither the government or media is responsible for executing the scientific process. Government can fund the wrong thing, of course. But the scientific community will always continue to march forward through alternate funding needs.
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby JasonB » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:19 pm

BUS wrote:I guess you missed the part about the Doctor giving me this. Glad you are happy. I am also.
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So, you are telling us that a legit physician literally told you not to get vaccinated, and instead to take an unapproved cocktail of drugs for protection instead?
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Re: Cole Beasley making news

Postby White Helmet » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:55 pm

So here are a few of my questions for you:

1. Did we not rush these vaccines to market, including skipping animal trials and/or other standard protocols?
2. Is it not the case that two of the three companies (Moderna and J & J) have never brought a vaccine to market?
3. Haven’t previous attempts to produce coronavirus vaccines failed?
4. Were there not concerning data gaps in required supporting materials presented by the vaccine makers to the FDA for the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?
5. Do we really know how effective the vaccines are? Why are raw data from the trials not being made available?
6. Forgive me, but are there not strong incentives to overreport covid numbers?

Thanks again, White Horse. I look forward to your responses.[/quote]

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1. No, there were animal trials, in 2 animal species (fulfilling the 2 animal rule, mouse and monkey). There were 3 phases of human trials.
2. Correct Moderna and JJ havent brought vaccines to market before. But they (particularly JJ) have brought drugs to market. A vaccine is not really different than a drug. Additionally, to bring it back to football Lincoln Riley had never been a head coach but had a strong record as an assistant. He's done OK right?
3. Yes previous Corona vaccines have not been successfully developed. They were underfunded and relied on old technology (usually just whole killed virus). The use of the "new" mRNA delivery allowed for a more targeted approach. I use the quotations on new as this technology has been used/developed in laboratories since at least 2005. There has not been enough funding/reason to roll them out in such a large scale. After these we no see multiple vax trials using this technology for other things including melanoma. The mRNA vaccines will work, if you have a properly exposed antibody target. Its been tried with Flu and HIV but there have not been good epitopes that are accessible to antibodies. Its not going to work for everything it does work for the COVID spike protein.
4 and 5. There is complete data that has been released to the FDA. It includes effective rates ~95%.
6. Someone could say there are financial incentives to overreport COVID numbers. Though looking through serum samples the antibody rate matches with case rates. If COVID was being over reported we wouldn't see the antibodies as prevalently as we see it in serum samples. The people doing the serum sample get nothing extra for finding COVID antibodies, its a yes/no question that doesn't get extra money for yes.

Additionally in a different post you mentioned young people/children being extremely resistant, (this may have to do with cross reactivity with other childhood coronaviruses) and cited data from August 2020. If you look at the rates of hospitalization per 100,000 in children those have been rising steadily since that point.
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