Jeff Reinebold Ripping Chad Morris

[SoCal_Pony]

Some of you all don't get it-SMU isn't trying to get to the P5 any more. Read between the lines of the Head Coaches salary over the last decade. When June Jones came to SMU he was paid about a Top 15-Top 18 salary (which was probably in the Top 12% or so in FBS) in the Country.

We' are paying the same salary a decade later and probably will pay the next guy substantially less because we are setting our self up for hiring a position coach 3 years out of high school. Its quite likely SMU will be paying about 50% less than they did a decade ago which would put SMU in the Bottom 40% of the FBS. That's not even the type of hire you'd expect from an AAC level program much less P5. The National experts rated the hiring of Chad Morris as an A. This hire is looking like a C or C- hire.

And yes Memphis, UCF, USF and UH all tendered high P5 level contracts to their Head Coaches who are being courted by P5 teams. SMU didn't bother trying to keep Chad Morris and merely extended Morris
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I happen to agree with this statement. So I ask you this question.

You are the President of an academic, not athletic institution. Given the above, as President, would you marshall the resources, including prime real estate, to build an IPF.

I do not believe for one moment it is the panacea some are making it out to be.

[Dutch]

Some of you all don't get it-SMU isn't trying to get to the P5 any more. Read between the lines of the Head Coaches salary over the last decade. When June Jones came to SMU he was paid about a Top 15-Top 18 salary (which was probably in the Top 12% or so in FBS) in the Country.

We' are paying the same salary a decade later and probably will pay the next guy substantially less because we are setting our self up for hiring a position coach 3 years out of high school. Its quite likely SMU will be paying about 50% less than they did a decade ago which would put SMU in the Bottom 40% of the FBS. That's not even the type of hire you'd expect from an AAC level program much less P5. The National experts rated the hiring of Chad Morris as an A. This hire is looking like a C or C- hire.

And yes Memphis, UCF, USF and UH all tendered high P5 level contracts to their Head Coaches who are being courted by P5 teams. SMU didn't bother trying to keep Chad Morris and merely extended Morris
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you keep using TCU and Gary Patterson in your stupid argument on ponying up to keep a coach. let's add a little more knowledge to this. when we hired June, we were paying nearly DOUBLE what they were paying GP. he couldn't be lured away in 2007 for a whopping $2mm a year by minnesota (double his pay at TCU - oh, and they didn't match that deal in fort worth)

https://web.archive.org/web/20070124215 ... 479206.htm

[mustangxc]

Thank you Dutch!

[Stallion]

Some of you all don't get it-SMU isn't trying to get to the P5 any more. Read between the lines of the Head Coaches salary over the last decade. When June Jones came to SMU he was paid about a Top 15-Top 18 salary (which was probably in the Top 12% or so in FBS) in the Country.

We' are paying the same salary a decade later and probably will pay the next guy substantially less because we are setting our self up for hiring a position coach 3 years out of high school. Its quite likely SMU will be paying about 50% less than they did a decade ago which would put SMU in the Bottom 40% of the FBS. That's not even the type of hire you'd expect from an AAC level program much less P5. The National experts rated the hiring of Chad Morris as an A. This hire is looking like a C or C- hire.

And yes Memphis, UCF, USF and UH all tendered high P5 level contracts to their Head Coaches who are being courted by P5 teams. SMU didn't bother trying to keep Chad Morris and merely extended Morris
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you keep using TCU and Gary Patterson in your stupid argument on ponying up to keep a coach. let's add a little more knowledge to this. when we hired June, we were paying nearly DOUBLE what they were paying GP. he couldn't be lured away in 2007 for a whopping $2mm a year by minnesota (double his pay at TCU - oh, and they didn't match that deal in fort worth)

https://web.archive.org/web/20070124215 ... 479206.htm

Nice try but the article doesn't reveal what package TCU put together to keep him
Athletic director Danny Morrison and Patterson declined to comment on whether Patterson's contract was being reworked as incentive for him to stay at TCU.

"Athletic director Danny Morrison and Patterson declined to comment on whether Patterson's contract was being reworked as incentive for him to stay at TCU."

[mrydel]

We can continue eating our own, but maybe we should wait a few days and see who we actually hire.

But we are so tasty.

[Dutch]

Some of you all don't get it-SMU isn't trying to get to the P5 any more. Read between the lines of the Head Coaches salary over the last decade. When June Jones came to SMU he was paid about a Top 15-Top 18 salary (which was probably in the Top 12% or so in FBS) in the Country.

We' are paying the same salary a decade later and probably will pay the next guy substantially less because we are setting our self up for hiring a position coach 3 years out of high school. Its quite likely SMU will be paying about 50% less than they did a decade ago which would put SMU in the Bottom 40% of the FBS. That's not even the type of hire you'd expect from an AAC level program much less P5. The National experts rated the hiring of Chad Morris as an A. This hire is looking like a C or C- hire.

And yes Memphis, UCF, USF and UH all tendered high P5 level contracts to their Head Coaches who are being courted by P5 teams. SMU didn't bother trying to keep Chad Morris and merely extended Morris
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you keep using TCU and Gary Patterson in your stupid argument on ponying up to keep a coach. let's add a little more knowledge to this. when we hired June, we were paying nearly DOUBLE what they were paying GP. he couldn't be lured away in 2007 for a whopping $2mm a year by minnesota (double his pay at TCU - oh, and they didn't match that deal in fort worth)

https://web.archive.org/web/20070124215 ... 479206.htm

Sources, though, said the $1 million buyout clause will be reduced in Patterson's contract, which runs through 2012 and pays more than $1 million a year.


Nice try but the article doesn't reveal what package TCU put together to keep him
Athletic director Danny Morrison and Patterson declined to comment on whether Patterson's contract was being reworked as incentive for him to stay at TCU.

"Athletic director Danny Morrison and Patterson declined to comment on whether Patterson's contract was being reworked as incentive for him to stay at TCU."

[Stallion]

Article from 2009 stating that in prior year Patterson's base pay was raised to 1.7 Million--a 70% raise.

That would equal a 1.47 Million raise offer to Chad Morris for a total of 3.57 Million

https://www.tcu360.com/story/patterson- ... -12285013/

[Dutch]

Some of you all don't get it-SMU isn't trying to get to the P5 any more. Read between the lines of the Head Coaches salary over the last decade. When June Jones came to SMU he was paid about a Top 15-Top 18 salary (which was probably in the Top 12% or so in FBS) in the Country.

We' are paying the same salary a decade later and probably will pay the next guy substantially less because we are setting our self up for hiring a position coach 3 years out of high school. Its quite likely SMU will be paying about 50% less than they did a decade ago which would put SMU in the Bottom 40% of the FBS. That's not even the type of hire you'd expect from an AAC level program much less P5. The National experts rated the hiring of Chad Morris as an A. This hire is looking like a C or C- hire.

And yes Memphis, UCF, USF and UH all tendered high P5 level contracts to their Head Coaches who are being courted by P5 teams. SMU didn't bother trying to keep Chad Morris and merely extended Morris
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you keep using TCU and Gary Patterson in your stupid argument on ponying up to keep a coach. let's add a little more knowledge to this. when we hired June, we were paying nearly DOUBLE what they were paying GP. he couldn't be lured away in 2007 for a whopping $2mm a year by minnesota (double his pay at TCU - oh, and they didn't match that deal in fort worth)

https://web.archive.org/web/20070124215 ... 479206.htm

he made $3.5 in 2012 AFTER winning coach of the year, winning a ROSE BOWL, going undefeated in 2009 and going to Fiesta Bowl. several conference championships, etc. and you think we should be offering the same for 7 wins and a visit to the inaugural DXL Frisco Bowl. you've officially lost your mind now old man.

Nice try but the article doesn't reveal what package TCU put together to keep him
Athletic director Danny Morrison and Patterson declined to comment on whether Patterson's contract was being reworked as incentive for him to stay at TCU.

"Athletic director Danny Morrison and Patterson declined to comment on whether Patterson's contract was being reworked as incentive for him to stay at TCU."

[Dutch]

Article from 2009 stating that in prior year Patterson's base pay was raised to 1.7 Million

https://www.tcu360.com/story/patterson- ... -12285013/

great, so they came in about $400k shy of what we were paying June. "market rates" OH, nevermind they just got a HUGE check from the BCS for their Fiesta Bowl appearance to help fund that. The 2009 Fiesta Bowl had a payout around $17 million per team. so they gave gary 4% of the payout in a raise.

to match that with the $100k payout from the Frisco Bowl, i guess we should have offered chad $4000 more per year to stay.

[Stallion]

Sorry nice try
TCU raised his salary in 2008 before the 2009 Fiesta Bowl and it damn sure PAID OFF BIG didn't it and
Geez Bowl payouts don't go to the schools-they go the conferences-which then distribute funds to their teams after payment of expenses

[Dutch]

Geez Bowl payouts don't go to the schools-they go the conferences-which then distribute funds to their teams after payment of expenses

right, to a degree. the MTN distributed disproportionately. but also figure that year they played Boise, so the conf got $34mm to distribute. TCU and BSU got bigger chunks than anyone else.

we distribute proportionately, so that really only strengthens my argument. thanks.

[Stallion]

I added more above-TCU raised his salary in 2008 BEFORE the 2009 Fiesta Bowl-ie paying Patterson got TCU to the ACCESS bowl. Hmm SMU should have thought of that too

[Dutch]

Sorry nice try
TCU raised his salary in 2008 before the 2009 Fiesta Bowl and it damn sure PAID OFF BIG didn't it and
Geez Bowl payouts don't go to the schools-they go the conferences-which then distribute funds to their teams after payment of expenses

i'm talking about when they raised him to $3.5mm - AFTER all those accomplishments.

but you are right, he got a raise from $1mm to 1.7mm in 2008. after winning 4 stright bowls, and going to 8 bowls in 9 years (winning 5 of them) and having one 10 win season and four 11 win seasons, 3 conference championships, 4 consecutive wins over B12 teams in '04-05. he won more games his first 3 years than chad did in 2. hell, after his 3rd year TCU was 27-9, conf champs and won the liberty bowl.

but yeah, again, let's compare that to just making the frisco bowl and a 7 win season.

[HarvCrimYaleBlue]

Why would we pay more than a "P5" when we do not compete with them? With CM paid a base of $3.2-3.5 that puts him at about #30 best paid in the land. His predecessor was making $1M more...

We overpaid June and paid Chad market price. We didn't even get market results - UCF, Memphis, Navy, Houston, etc.

[gostangs]

Some of you all don't get it-SMU isn't trying to get to the P5 any more. Read between the lines of the Head Coaches salary over the last decade. When June Jones came to SMU he was paid about a Top 15-Top 18 salary (which was probably in the Top 12% or so in FBS) in the Country.

We' are paying the same salary a decade later and probably will pay the next guy substantially less because we are setting our self up for hiring a position coach 3 years out of high school. Its quite likely SMU will be paying about 50% less than they did a decade ago which would put SMU in the Bottom 40% of the FBS. That's not even the type of hire you'd expect from an AAC level program much less P5. The National experts rated the hiring of Chad Morris as an A. This hire is looking like a C or C- hire.

And yes Memphis, UCF, USF and UH all tendered high P5 level contracts to their Head Coaches who are being courted by P5 teams. SMU didn't bother trying to keep Chad Morris and merely extended Morris
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I think it is you who doesn't get it. The extra dough offered him for an extension would have made no difference. You are arguing for something that is completely useless in effecting any different outcome that we got. And by the way - you want someone else to pay their hard earned money to a coach for no different outcome. SMU wisely said no thanks ,back then.

Whoever we get it will be at the top of the market for AAC coaches. Hire a great one and keep on truckin. Just make sure they don't give up on you.