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footballdad wrote:

Stallion wrote:some of you must of forgotten how bad the offense was in 2014 when we came into the season with zero offensive threats. 2015 Offense was a huge improvement-and 2016 Offense will be much better than 2015

Nobody has forgotten. It's interesting you think the 2016 offense will be much better than 2015 with Davis, Colbert, and Hicks as the top 3 QB's, 2 of which you've hated and criticized since day 1.

Actually an argument could be made that statistically, a lot of that 'offensive improvement' was a direct of result of having one of the worst offenses in college history in 2014. Of course the statistical numbers are going to show great improvement. What some people observed, was a seeming lack of creativity, or unwillingness to adapt as the season progressed, given what they learned early in the season.

There were certainly signs of improvement, and more talent at the RB & WR positions. The OLine should be improved as well with an additional year in the system. QB is the obvious problem with this offense really taking that next step, and Morris knows it full well. Is the guru going to adapt, or is he just going to wait another year or 2 and hope a QB savior appears?

82Pony wrote:What about Ke'Mon Freeman? Didn't he play QB?

ojaipony wrote:I'm with footballdad on this one (ouch!). If your QB play just isn't there, you improvise. Since we seem to be very deep at RB, let's run the ball more. Quick passes to Proche/Castille and emphasize downfield blocking from your skill positions (we have the size there now with Sutton/Honey/Gaines/Thomas (if he comes back)/Rau. Then, once they're all in the box to stop the run/short dinks/screens, throw it up to Sutton (and Honey). Just stick to that, keep it simple, every once in a while do the jet sweep / reverse / hell even a half back pass, etc. Don't make your QB win the game for you, make them be "managers". Do that consistently, and even with [deleted] defense, we can get up to 4 wins maybe (and that's an improvement which is all I'm looking for at this point).

ojaipony wrote:I'm with footballdad on this one (ouch!). If your QB play just isn't there, you improvise. Since we seem to be very deep at RB, let's run the ball more. Quick passes to Proche/Castille and emphasize downfield blocking from your skill positions (we have the size there now with Sutton/Honey/Gaines/Thomas (if he comes back)/Rau. Then, once they're all in the box to stop the run/short dinks/screens, throw it up to Sutton (and Honey). Just stick to that, keep it simple, every once in a while do the jet sweep / reverse / hell even a half back pass, etc. Don't make your QB win the game for you, make them be "managers". Do that consistently, and even with [deleted] defense, we can get up to 4 wins maybe (and that's an improvement which is all I'm looking for at this point).

mrydel wrote:

ojaipony wrote:I'm with footballdad on this one (ouch!). If your QB play just isn't there, you improvise. Since we seem to be very deep at RB, let's run the ball more. Quick passes to Proche/Castille and emphasize downfield blocking from your skill positions (we have the size there now with Sutton/Honey/Gaines/Thomas (if he comes back)/Rau. Then, once they're all in the box to stop the run/short dinks/screens, throw it up to Sutton (and Honey). Just stick to that, keep it simple, every once in a while do the jet sweep / reverse / hell even a half back pass, etc. Don't make your QB win the game for you, make them be "managers". Do that consistently, and even with [deleted] defense, we can get up to 4 wins maybe (and that's an improvement which is all I'm looking for at this point).

Nice thoughts, however you apparently did not see the spring game. Those quick passes were many of the ones sailing high and outside. You cannot establish a short passing game if you cannot throw short passes.

jimhagle wrote:

ojaipony wrote:I'm with footballdad on this one (ouch!). If your QB play just isn't there, you improvise. Since we seem to be very deep at RB, let's run the ball more. Quick passes to Proche/Castille and emphasize downfield blocking from your skill positions (we have the size there now with Sutton/Honey/Gaines/Thomas (if he comes back)/Rau. Then, once they're all in the box to stop the run/short dinks/screens, throw it up to Sutton (and Honey). Just stick to that, keep it simple, every once in a while do the jet sweep / reverse / hell even a half back pass, etc. Don't make your QB win the game for you, make them be "managers". Do that consistently, and even with [deleted] defense, we can get up to 4 wins maybe (and that's an improvement which is all I'm looking for at this point).

What's with the "if he comes back" comment about Thomas?

mrydel wrote:

ojaipony wrote:I'm with footballdad on this one (ouch!). If your QB play just isn't there, you improvise. Since we seem to be very deep at RB, let's run the ball more. Quick passes to Proche/Castille and emphasize downfield blocking from your skill positions (we have the size there now with Sutton/Honey/Gaines/Thomas (if he comes back)/Rau. Then, once they're all in the box to stop the run/short dinks/screens, throw it up to Sutton (and Honey). Just stick to that, keep it simple, every once in a while do the jet sweep / reverse / hell even a half back pass, etc. Don't make your QB win the game for you, make them be "managers". Do that consistently, and even with [deleted] defense, we can get up to 4 wins maybe (and that's an improvement which is all I'm looking for at this point).

Nice thoughts, however you apparently did not see the spring game. Those quick passes were many of the ones sailing high and outside. You cannot establish a short passing game if you cannot throw short passes.

footballdad wrote:

mrydel wrote:

ojaipony wrote:I'm with footballdad on this one (ouch!). If your QB play just isn't there, you improvise. Since we seem to be very deep at RB, let's run the ball more. Quick passes to Proche/Castille and emphasize downfield blocking from your skill positions (we have the size there now with Sutton/Honey/Gaines/Thomas (if he comes back)/Rau. Then, once they're all in the box to stop the run/short dinks/screens, throw it up to Sutton (and Honey). Just stick to that, keep it simple, every once in a while do the jet sweep / reverse / hell even a half back pass, etc. Don't make your QB win the game for you, make them be "managers". Do that consistently, and even with [deleted] defense, we can get up to 4 wins maybe (and that's an improvement which is all I'm looking for at this point).

Nice thoughts, however you apparently did not see the spring game. Those quick passes were many of the ones sailing high and outside. You cannot establish a short passing game if you cannot throw short passes.

And if we can't do that, we're really screwed on any deeper outs, posts, flags, crossing routes, etc. etc. Pretty much back to chucking a bomb shot once in a while....which is fine with man coverage. Better start working the hell out of some sort of zone read, or the various QB draws that Watson/Clemson ran so nicely. It's not rocket science, using the QB as a runner just gives you an extra blocker and usually puts the numbers in your favor in the run game. If Davis gets hurt he gets hurt, Colbert seems to be a similar player anyways. Hopefully Rau is that stud blocker that can really help the power run game from day one. If Freeman is the freak runner he looks on film, give him some reps.

etpony wrote:Tajh Boyd was absolutely horrible in the spring game the year CCM took over at Clemson. He couldn't hit his rear with both hands. If I remember he broke all of Clemsons passing records as well as almost all the passing records in the ACC. I think we will be just fine.

JasonB wrote:The challenge is that Davis, Hicks, and Colbert have all been through two springs now and you expect to see a significant step up. It hasn't happened yet.