BOISE and MEMPHIS to the new Big12 (Boise won't join AAC)

[SMU_Alum11]

Well........

Correct me if I am wrong but TCU finished # 2 in the nation in 2014 ? And has been a Top 10 team twice in last 10 yrs ?

And....has won the Rose Bowl ? And has won multiple other Bowl games including defeating OREGON in the Alamo Bowl and whipping Georgia in a Bowl game. What other Big 12 team not named OKLAHOMA can say that. So yes...TCU is an elite Power 5 Conf team.

These are Power 5 teams that TCU has beaten in recent years:
GEORGIA
OREGON
OREGON ST
STANFORD (twice)
TEXAS (7 times) (Texas is 2-7 vs TCU in the Big 12)
CAL (twice)
VIRGINIA (twice)
CLEMSON
UTAH (twice)
BYU (twice) (now a P 5 team in the Big 12)
NORTHWESTERN (twice)
ARKANSAS
WISCONSIN (beat them in the Rose Bowl Game when they were Big 10 Champions)

TCU is 10-0 vs PAC 12 teams. Please name any other team in the nation that can say that. I will hang up and listen.

I will say beating the PAC12 means nothing. That conference is overrated every year.

[Dukie]

You are aware that all the Power 5 Commissioners have said that the Big 12 will retain its POWER 5 status -AND - an automatic Power 5 Conference Playoff berth if CFP expands - with the addition of UCF, BYU, UC, and UH, right ? You did see that right ? Gosh I hate to burst your bubble since you are so determined to push your (ridiculous) agenda but you need to read more. Enjoy the game Saturday ! You will see a lot of P 5 and future NFL talent on that field this year. ENJOY !!

PPO

Citation for your assertion that the PAC 12, B1G, SEC, and ACC Commissioners have guaranteed that the new Big(?) XII will have (1) any sort of automatic P5 status and (2) guaranteed playoff berth inclusion?

[well travelled pony]

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article254113023.html

https://247sports.com/Article/Big-12-ta ... 170619098/

BOISE and MEMPHIS are next to go to Big 12. It is all but a done deal. Big 12 is gonna wait a few months to announce but they have already been informed that they are next. Big 12 will then stop at 14 teams.

Reason they are taking 2 more teams is because TCU and HOUSTON will be leaving for the PAC 12. They are next to be invited to the PAC. PAC wants to be in two big Texas cities. You can say all you want about what those 2 schools bring or don't bring to the PAC but the PAC wants 2 schools that are located in Dallas and Houston.

OREGON, UCLA, CAL, WASHINGTON and STANFORD are violently against TTECH and OKIE STATE. The reason is because they don't want to travel to backwater towns like Lubbock and Stillwater. They have to do that already with WASHINGTON ST (Pullman), and OREGON ST (Corvallis) and they don't want any more travel nightmares like that with new schools. They also don't believe Lubbock and Stillwater are big recruiting areas. They also HATE TTECH's football program as the Big 12 bottom feeder. OKIE ST has a good football program but not enough to trump being in a backwater town somewhere in bumphucccckkk Oklahoma.

When TCU and HOUSTON leave for the PAC 12 then the Big 12 will be back down to 12 schools if they have already taken BOISE and MEMPHIS which is expected within the next 6 months.

You must have made a stop in Colorado, and enjoyed too much if the local legal. Living in CO, work in CA. Not one Pac12 person wants tcwho. Cougar high? Lol

[PurplePimpleOozing]

https://www.on3.com/news/big-12-expansi ... ue-viable/

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... structure/

You are aware that all the Power 5 Commissioners have said that the Big 12 will retain its POWER 5 status -AND - an automatic Power 5 Conference Playoff berth if CFP expands - with the addition of UCF, BYU, UC, and UH, right ? You did see that right ? Gosh I hate to burst your bubble since you are so determined to push your (ridiculous) agenda but you need to read more. Enjoy the game Saturday ! You will see a lot of P 5 and future NFL talent on that field this year. ENJOY !!

PPO

Citation for your assertion that the PAC 12, B1G, SEC, and ACC Commissioners have guaranteed that the new Big(?) XII will have (1) any sort of automatic P5 status and (2) guaranteed playoff berth inclusion?

[PurplePimpleOozing]

PAC 12 may very well be overrated as you say but they still like TCU regardless and TCU would be a bigtime Power Team in that Conference and the PAC knows it.

TCU = 10-0 vs PAC 12 teams

Well........

Correct me if I am wrong but TCU finished # 2 in the nation in 2014 ? And has been a Top 10 team twice in last 10 yrs ?

And....has won the Rose Bowl ? And has won multiple other Bowl games including defeating OREGON in the Alamo Bowl and whipping Georgia in a Bowl game. What other Big 12 team not named OKLAHOMA can say that. So yes...TCU is an elite Power 5 Conf team.

These are Power 5 teams that TCU has beaten in recent years:
GEORGIA
OREGON
OREGON ST
STANFORD (twice)
TEXAS (7 times) (Texas is 2-7 vs TCU in the Big 12)
CAL (twice)
VIRGINIA (twice)
CLEMSON
UTAH (twice)
BYU (twice) (now a P 5 team in the Big 12)
NORTHWESTERN (twice)
ARKANSAS
WISCONSIN (beat them in the Rose Bowl Game when they were Big 10 Champions)

TCU is 10-0 vs PAC 12 teams. Please name any other team in the nation that can say that. I will hang up and listen.

I will say beating the PAC12 means nothing. That conference is overrated every year.

[PurplePimpleOozing]

You are quite ill informed. Washington State AD recently stated "the PAC 12 isn't expanding now but what many didnt hear the Commission say is that we may revisit that in the near future and that possibility is likely since the GOR deal comes up for PAC 12 in 2024 and we may have to do something to create value".

The Stanford AD said this "only teams the PAC 12 would be interested in would probably have to be located in a major metro area and be competitive with PAC teams, but that doesn't mean we are expanding and please don't read too much into that".

We know what the Stanford guy means. He just had to throw that non-qualifier statement out there so he isn't spilling any beans ahead of time. Stanford LOVES Tcu as does OREGON. They are TCUs biggest boosters in the PAC.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article254113023.html

https://247sports.com/Article/Big-12-ta ... 170619098/

BOISE and MEMPHIS are next to go to Big 12. It is all but a done deal. Big 12 is gonna wait a few months to announce but they have already been informed that they are next. Big 12 will then stop at 14 teams.

Reason they are taking 2 more teams is because TCU and HOUSTON will be leaving for the PAC 12. They are next to be invited to the PAC. PAC wants to be in two big Texas cities. You can say all you want about what those 2 schools bring or don't bring to the PAC but the PAC wants 2 schools that are located in Dallas and Houston.

OREGON, UCLA, CAL, WASHINGTON and STANFORD are violently against TTECH and OKIE STATE. The reason is because they don't want to travel to backwater towns like Lubbock and Stillwater. They have to do that already with WASHINGTON ST (Pullman), and OREGON ST (Corvallis) and they don't want any more travel nightmares like that with new schools. They also don't believe Lubbock and Stillwater are big recruiting areas. They also HATE TTECH's football program as the Big 12 bottom feeder. OKIE ST has a good football program but not enough to trump being in a backwater town somewhere in bumphucccckkk Oklahoma.

When TCU and HOUSTON leave for the PAC 12 then the Big 12 will be back down to 12 schools if they have already taken BOISE and MEMPHIS which is expected within the next 6 months.

You must have made a stop in Colorado, and enjoyed too much if the local legal. Living in CO, work in CA. Not one Pac12 person wants tcwho. Cougar high? Lol

[Dukie]

https://www.on3.com/news/big-12-expansion-doesnt-add-significant-value-but-does-keep-league-viable/

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... structure/

You are aware that all the Power 5 Commissioners have said that the Big 12 will retain its POWER 5 status -AND - an automatic Power 5 Conference Playoff berth if CFP expands - with the addition of UCF, BYU, UC, and UH, right ? You did see that right ? Gosh I hate to burst your bubble since you are so determined to push your (ridiculous) agenda but you need to read more. Enjoy the game Saturday ! You will see a lot of P 5 and future NFL talent on that field this year. ENJOY !!

PPO

Citation for your assertion that the PAC 12, B1G, SEC, and ACC Commissioners have guaranteed that the new Big(?) XII will have (1) any sort of automatic P5 status and (2) guaranteed playoff berth inclusion?

One of those articles says precisely nothing about P5 status or a guaranteed playoff spot for the "Big" XII. The other says the Alliance directors were "complimentary" of the "Big" XII and the B1G guy said something like "the Power 5 remains the Power 5." That's a very anodyne, present-tense statement that doesn't, in fact, guarantee that the "Big" XII remains anything when all the rules get rewritten soon. And again, zip about any sort of guaranteed playoff berth.

[well travelled pony]

You are quite ill informed. Washington State AD recently stated "the PAC 12 isn't expanding now but what many didnt hear the Commission say is that we may revisit that in the near future and that possibility is likely since the GOR deal comes up for PAC 12 in 2024 and we may have to do something to create value".

The Stanford AD said this "only teams the PAC 12 would be interested in would probably have to be located in a major metro area and be competitive with PAC teams, but that doesn't mean we are expanding and please don't read too much into that".

We know what the Stanford guy means. He just had to throw that non-qualifier statement out there so he isn't spilling any beans ahead of time. Stanford LOVES Tcu as does OREGON. They are TCUs biggest boosters in the PAC.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article254113023.html

https://247sports.com/Article/Big-12-ta ... 170619098/

BOISE and MEMPHIS are next to go to Big 12. It is all but a done deal. Big 12 is gonna wait a few months to announce but they have already been informed that they are next. Big 12 will then stop at 14 teams.

Reason they are taking 2 more teams is because TCU and HOUSTON will be leaving for the PAC 12. They are next to be invited to the PAC. PAC wants to be in two big Texas cities. You can say all you want about what those 2 schools bring or don't bring to the PAC but the PAC wants 2 schools that are located in Dallas and Houston.

OREGON, UCLA, CAL, WASHINGTON and STANFORD are violently against TTECH and OKIE STATE. The reason is because they don't want to travel to backwater towns like Lubbock and Stillwater. They have to do that already with WASHINGTON ST (Pullman), and OREGON ST (Corvallis) and they don't want any more travel nightmares like that with new schools. They also don't believe Lubbock and Stillwater are big recruiting areas. They also HATE TTECH's football program as the Big 12 bottom feeder. OKIE ST has a good football program but not enough to trump being in a backwater town somewhere in bumphucccckkk Oklahoma.

When TCU and HOUSTON leave for the PAC 12 then the Big 12 will be back down to 12 schools if they have already taken BOISE and MEMPHIS which is expected within the next 6 months.

You must have made a stop in Colorado, and enjoyed too much if the local legal. Living in CO, work in CA. Not one Pac12 person wants tcwho. Cougar high? Lol

Lol....lol...the trees love the frogs...lol
https://youtu.be/TU3-lS_Gryk

[PurplePimpleOozing]

WRONG AGAIN MR DUKIE !! SEC Commissioner Sankey says - "it is in everyone's best interest to keep Big 12 as a Power Conference and that is our express intention".

How does it feel to be WRONG over and over again ? Geeez !! Some folks are just obtuse. Wow

https://www.on3.com/news/big-12-expansion-doesnt-add-significant-value-but-does-keep-league-viable/

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... structure/


are aware that all the Power 5 Commissioners have said that the Big 12 will retain its POWER 5 status -AND - an automatic Power 5 Conference Playoff berth if CFP expands - with the addition of UCF, BYU, UC, and UH, right ? You did see that right ? Gosh I hate to burst your bubble since you are so determined to push your (ridiculous) agenda but you need to read more. Enjoy the game Saturday ! You will see a lot of P 5 and future NFL talent on that field this year. ENJOY !!

PPO

Citation for your assertion that the PAC 12, B1G, SEC, and ACC Commissioners have guaranteed that the new Big(?) XII will have (1) any sort of automatic P5 status and (2) guaranteed playoff berth inclusion?

One of those articles says precisely nothing about P5 status or a guaranteed playoff spot for the "Big" XII. The other says the Alliance directors were "complimentary" of the "Big" XII and the B1G guy said something like "the Power 5 remains the Power 5." That's a very anodyne, present-tense statement that doesn't, in fact, guarantee that the "Big" XII remains anything when all the rules get rewritten soon. And again, zip about any sort of guaranteed playoff berth.[/quote]

[Water Pony]

Please. Whatever Sankey said or suggested that he is concerned about Big12 or the sport, that he is concerned for others, is ridiculous on the surface. That is coming from a commissioner who just sabotaged the Big 12 with or without measuring OU's and UT's role in the matter.

As a fan of SMU and college football, our situation has been our dilemma that has persisted for 30+ years. No crocodile years here, since we deserved to be penalized; despite the penalty far exceeding the crime. As we all know, that penalty has never been applied since ... despite greater justification.

I am happy for TCU and it success on the football field. But, you can't convince me these moves help the game we are supposed to love. The result is simply to concentrate the vast majority of current and future revenue in fewer conferences and schools, while paying coaches exaggerated amounts for coaching/teaching students.

Now, I am off the soapbox, but your condescension is noted.

[78pony]

Please. Whatever Sankey said or suggested that he is concerned about Big12 or the sport, that he is concerned for others, is ridiculous on the surface. That is coming from a commissioner who just sabotaged the Big 12 with or without measuring OU's and UT's role in the matter.

As a fan of SMU and college football, our situation has been our dilemma that has persisted for 30+ years. No crocodile years here, since we deserved to be penalized; despite the penalty far exceeding the crime. As we all know, that penalty has never been applied since ... despite greater justification.

I am happy for TCU and it success on the football field. But, you can't convince me these moves help the game we are supposed to love. The result is simply to concentrate the vast majority of current and future revenue in fewer conferences and schools, while paying coaches exaggerated amounts for coaching/teaching students.

Now, I am off the soapbox, but your condescension is noted.

So many things one could say. But there are three words that encapsulate it all for us...and yet our PollyAnna's continue to try and explain & rationalize: ok, here goes - Twenty Six Years!!!

[EastStang]

We got the death penalty and instead of working to be the best program in Texas, we worked to become the worst program in Texas by adding silly academic restrictions on recruiting and handcuffing coaches. Once the restrictions were partially lifted we went out and hired some good coaches and some bad coaches, and some coaches with an eye on their next step up. We have not won a conference championship in 40 years in football. Until we do, we are not going to be on anyone's shopping list. Our goal should certainly be as follows this year, beat TCU, beat Cincy, beat UH, beat UCF and win a berth in the conference championship game. If we beat all three of the AAC members who have been tapped by the Big XII and a Big XII member as well, we may not get an invite, but we certainly will get a hmmm from others.

[JasonB]

The PAC 12 also did not try and take BYU. So go ahead and tell me that religion and school quality don't matter.

Anyone who studies market demographics knows that TCU doesn't carry DFW. They carry Fort Worth. They carry Dallas as much as SMU carries Fort Worth. Nobody is going to take TCU in order to "capture DFW".

SMU won't have a challenge finding a major conference after we win consistently and actually become Dallas' team.

[Water Pony]

The PAC 12 also did not try and take BYU. So go ahead and tell me that religion and school quality don't matter.

Anyone who studies market demographics knows that TCU doesn't carry DFW. They carry Fort Worth. They carry Dallas as much as SMU carries Fort Worth. Nobody is going to take TCU in order to "capture DFW".

SMU won't have a challenge finding a major conference after we win consistently and actually become Dallas' team.

Concise and spot on. Thx, JasonB. It may be a stretch, but we can create our own future. Just win.

[Dukie]

WRONG AGAIN MR DUKIE !! SEC Commissioner Sankey says - "it is in everyone's best interest to keep Big 12 as a Power Conference and that is our express intention".

How does it feel to be WRONG over and over again ? Geeez !! Some folks are just obtuse. Wow

Water Pony already explained why Sankey's statement is self-serving and meaningless, but hey, at least you finally provided something that covers a tiny portion of the assertions you made. (Assuming your quote is correct--you still didn't link to anything. But we'll assume it's correct because I am not your research department.)

So what I asked for is support for your assertion that all four other P5 Commissioners intend for the "Big" XII to remain a power conference, and intend for it to have an automatic playoff berth. You have now provided 1/4 of the first answer, and 0/4 of the second. I'm not wrong about anything; you're just refusing or unable to back up two big assertions that you made.