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Sewanee Stang wrote:TCU has a massive inferiority complex and three years of mediocrity have resulted in the firing of a legend and the violation of a long standing gentlemen's agreement not to poach a coach from an in-state peer institution. They overpaid for an above average coach. I can't wait for them to fail. SOBs.

Please explain how schools such as LSU, Alabama, UT, OU, OSU, etc, etc, can ever have a "gentleman's" agreement.

I was referring to the SWC schools.

Baylor, A&M and UT stole UH coaches over the last 20 years. However, UH didn't join the SWC until 1976. Arkansas was the first to leave the SWC so maybe they aren't gentlemen.

I hope the current Hog coach has a long tenure because that's the one place I see Lashlee going.

As long as we win a conference championship with a NY6 appearance under his watch he can leave for Arkansas at the end of the 2022 season. I really don't care who our coach is, I am not attached to any of them. I simply want SMU to win big consistently.

mustangxc wrote:

Sewanee Stang wrote:TCU has a massive inferiority complex and three years of mediocrity have resulted in the firing of a legend and the violation of a long standing gentlemen's agreement not to poach a coach from an in-state peer institution. They overpaid for an above average coach. I can't wait for them to fail. SOBs.

TCU will always be little brother to SMU!

Eternally. No worries on that front.

I wonder how much of the Sonny move was jealousy/to stop our growth versus they actually wanted him...

“When you start looking at the numbers, and you start looking at the talent in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex that wasn’t coming to TCU, I just marveled at what SMU has been able to do the last couple of years,” Donati said Tuesday. “It really became glaring when you took a look at the numbers and the guys we were missing out on.”

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/tcu-h ... t-to-miss/

Hopefully we can find a way to keep our DFW recruiting momentum going, but it's going to be VERY hard w/o Samples I imagine.

TCU should have learned something from Arkansas. Was that a S**T show or a Clusterf**k?

orguy wrote:

mustangxc wrote:

Sewanee Stang wrote:TCU has a massive inferiority complex and three years of mediocrity have resulted in the firing of a legend and the violation of a long standing gentlemen's agreement not to poach a coach from an in-state peer institution. They overpaid for an above average coach. I can't wait for them to fail. SOBs.

TCU will always be little brother to SMU!

Eternally. No worries on that front.

51-42-7

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The toadies got an upgrade over a declining Patterson. Can't fault them for wanting to improve their situation and looking at SMU's coach as something to covet makes sense for them. They went out and got him. We ended up better. The only real downside is scrambling for recruits for early signing day. The toads saved us from having to fire (or worse, live with a long time) a coach who was not going to get us to the next level. We can continue to improve with new leadership and position ourselves for the next realignment phase. The toads look to improve from being the second worst team in the worst P5 conference to a mediocre team. Maybe tcu can be bowl eligible before the end of the decade.

I'm sure 51-42-7 looks really good on a resume/ job application. 15 years? That is sad.

...and what they sold was their collective soul. This chapter may come back to haunt them.

They bought a decent coach and one of the best recruiters in the country. I can’t believe so many Mustangs fans don’t objectively realize that TCU football has been far superior to SMU football over the last decade and it’s about to get better. It simply comes down to SMU being in a sub par conference that will get considerably worse with the loss of UCF, Cincy, Memphis and the “addition” of UNT, UTSA, etc. we are about to experience a deterioration in our football program, just as we have with the basketball program. Thanks for nothing Rick Hart!

I don't disagree that TCU has maintained an advantage in conference affiliation since they joined the Big 12. However, TCU bought a decent coach and a good recruiter from a peer institution and cross town rival with 100 years shared history, a sleazy move in my opinion. They also fired a legendary coach in the middle of the season. That was disgraceful. TCU fans can spin it however they like, but the fear of losing their place in the pecking order in a game of musical chairs motivated them to take desperate measures, and they burned some bridges in the process. That is my point.

Sewanee Stang wrote:I don't disagree that TCU has maintained an advantage in conference affiliation since they joined the Big 12. However, TCU bought a decent coach and a good recruiter from a peer institution and cross town rival with 100 years shared history, a sleazy move in my opinion. They also fired a legendary coach in the middle of the season. That was disgraceful. TCU fans can spin it however they like, but the fear of losing their place in the pecking order in a game of musical chairs motivated them to take desperate measures, and they burned some bridges in the process. That is my point.

That and while TCU has objectively been much better than SMU in football over the last 20 years, SMU has objectively been better than TCU the last 3 years. As it stands there isn't that much difference in the two programs. That may very well change very quickly with the reorganization of the Big XII and AAC membership as well as their poaching our best recruiter. I guess everything is fair game nowadays but I think it was pretty low of TCU and even lower of Dykes, Samples, etc. to agree to the move. I do not begrudge them for getting paid, but there are dozens of openings and they could get paid at many other places.

orguy wrote:

mustangxc wrote:

Sewanee Stang wrote:TCU has a massive inferiority complex and three years of mediocrity have resulted in the firing of a legend and the violation of a long standing gentlemen's agreement not to poach a coach from an in-state peer institution. They overpaid for an above average coach. I can't wait for them to fail. SOBs.

TCU will always be little brother to SMU!

Eternally. No worries on that front.

As long as you think it, it makes any difference what reality is (see the SMU/TCU football record over the past hundred or so years).