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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Dukie » Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:00 pm

Can you please post the article as my computer says that is a malicious site?


Pac-12 University Presidents Approve Next Steps In SDSU and SMU Expansion Process

The Aztecs and Mustangs edge closer to Power 5 integration.

Fun fact: SMU’s mustang, Peruna, is the only mascot to have killed another mascot, after kicking Fordham’s ram in 1934.


San Francisco, CA- The college sports world has watched closely as Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff bobbles a new conference network agreement. He has been in hot pursuit of a deal since last July, and it is not yet final. His attention has been drawn in several directions as the gravity of UCLA and USC chasing dollars to the Big Ten has set in. Meanwhile, the BIG 12 continuously threatens to pillage his prestigious conference.

San Jose Mercury News sportswriter Jon Wilner, known as the apex Pac-12 conference insider, recently reported in his Mercury News article the latest status of conference expansion for key entrants San Diego State and Southern Methodist University.

In his article, Wilner reported the following update:

“University presidents discussed SMU and San Diego State as expansion candidates during a meeting last week and approved commissioner George Kliavkoff taking the next step in the complicated process of adding membership, according to sources with knowledge of the meeting.

Sources emphasized that the approval was informal in nature — the presidents did not vote to add specific schools — but expansion is viewed as highly likely.”

Kliavkoff was spotted recently at a SMU basketball game hospitality suite, and was not apparently concerned with the optics. It’s well documented that Kliavkoff met with SDSU Athletic Director J.D. Wicker and President Adela De La Torre.

The three-phases for expansion involve:
* New media rights contract with network/streaming partners,
* Schools must agree to sign rights to the conference, and
* Formal invitations must be extended to expansion candidates.

Under Pac-12 bylaws, conference expansion requires a three-fourths vote of the presidents, meaning eight of the 10 schools would have to approve any new members. Naturally, USC and UCLA will not participate in expansion proceedings during their remaining 18 months in the conference.
SMU and San Diego State are the clear candidates having moved far beyond the initial group of universities under consideration, and at least San Diego State stands out as the most strategically advantageous candidate. It’s highly probable that neither entrant would receive full revenue shares, at least initially, according to sources, and in accordance with tradition. It is undisputed that each candidate has a lot to offer in its own right.

It’s important to note that in a 10-team conference versus a 12-team league, the Pac-12 would have approximately 65 games instead of 78 available, and this would equate to a less desirable package, so expansion concurrently with (not after) a media rights deal is looking more and more strategically vital.

Wilner’s Mercury News article also featured the following description of primary expansion candidates:

SAN DIEGO STATE
Location: San Diego
Type: Public
Undergraduate enrollment: 36,000 (approx.)
Endowment: $350 million (approx.)
Research level: R2 (second-highest designation)
U.S. News ranking: 151st in national universities
Media market: 1.13 million homes (per Nielsen/2021 DMA)
Conference: Mountain West
Presidential fact: SDSU president Adela de la Torre grew up in the Bay Area and owns three degrees from Cal.
School fact: Last year, California passed a law allowing California State Universities to offer independent doctorates in Public Health, an important step for CSU campuses to bolster their academic bona fides. (Previously, CSUs were allowed to confer doctorates only in partnership with private colleges or University of California schools.) The change is viewed as an important step for SDSU in becoming an R1 research school.
Football facts: SDSU is a founding member of the Mountain West in 1998. The Aztecs have won at least 10 games in five of the past six seasons (excluding 2020) and have regularly beaten Pac-12 opponents under coaches Rocky Long and Brady Hoke. SDSU football alumni include Marshall Faulk and Joe Gibbs. In 2022, the Aztecs opened Snapdragon Stadium, which has a capacity of 35,000 but can expand to hold 55,000.
(Endowment source: National Association of College and University Business Officers)

SMU
Location: Dallas
Type: Private
Undergraduate enrollment: 6,800 (approx.)
Endowment: $2.0 billion (approx.)
Research level: R2 (second-highest designation)
U.S. News ranking: 72nd in national universities
Media market: 2.96 million homes (per Nielsen/2021 DMA)
Conference: American Athletic
Presidential fact: SMU president Gerald Turner is a former chair of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics.
School fact: SMU is affiliated with the United Methodist Church (UMC) but, in 2019, moved to “update its governance documents to make it clear that SMU is solely maintained and controlled by its Board as the ultimate authority for the University,” according to a statement from Turner. The UMC fought the move, but a Dallas judge ruled in favor of SMU two years later.
Football facts: SMU has a strong football history but is the only school to receive the death penalty from the NCAA (in the late 1980s). The list of famous football alumni includes Doak Walker, Don Meredith and Eric Dickerson. Since the collapse of the Southwest Conference, the Mustangs have been members of the WAC, Conference USA and the American. They struggled for traction but won 10 games in 2019 (under Sonny Dykes) and have been bowl-eligible for four consecutive years.
(Endowment source: SMU investments office)
While SDSU enables a continuation of Southern California interest and Pac-12 recruitment, SMU opens up an untapped new market in the Texas metropolis of Dallas. A flag planted in Texas could lead to exploration of additional expansion potential in the region.

In the future, it is certainly possible that UCLA and/or USC might discover that BIG Ten travel requirements are long-term undesirable.

For today, San Diego State and Southern Methodist University have managed to make the grade, and are increasingly garnering the support they require by current Pac-12 university members, and expansion appears to be certain.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby mustangxc » Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:16 pm

Thank you!
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Water Pony » Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:12 pm

Recent speculation that the delay in signing a Media Deal has placed the PAC-12 in jeopardy has created anxiety for current members and expansion candidates, such as us. As the Cable Guy says, "Git her done!"

As for speculation, why not think bigger? In Forbes today, a writer suggests the following:

The Pac 12’s Leadership Needs To Ink A New Media Deal Then Start ACC Merger Talks.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zengernews ... 5207a06973

"An Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference could offer media partners some outstanding big-name college sports brands in all four time zones starting at noon on the East coast, heading into the Central, Mountain, and ending the night on the Pacific coast. We are talking Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in the East, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, and North Carolina in the South, for now, SMU in the Central, Colorado, and Utah in the Mountains then it is Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Oregon, Stanford, and Washington out West.

With SMU in Texas, we would be the center of this beautiful "bowtie" of strong academic and athletic universities.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby ponyboy » Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:06 pm

I need a cold shower.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby SMUstang » Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:13 pm

There would be a huge amount of work to do.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby mustangxc » Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 pm

...but it would place SMU above all the Big XII schools over the long haul.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Water Pony » Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:29 pm

ponyboy wrote:I need a cold shower.


:lol:

Exactly, ponyboy!

A very important objective for college football is a PAC-12 Conference that remains a highly competitive P5 conference. The efforts by the BigXII to further destabilize their fellow conference is predatory. The SEC and B1G10 started this realignment, but any further moves by a P5 conference at the expense of another P5 conference damages the structure of college FB further.

The PAC-12 can and should remain at the "big boy" table, if and when they have a Media Deal which provides OR, WA, and the Four Corner schools the best competitive platform and multiple, realistic paths in the new CFP format, i.e., two or more schools competing for the 12 spots.

If the PAC-12 is able to stabilize, we will be invited. Otherwise, all bets are off.

As for possible collaboration with ACC, that would help ensure the BigXII would not be a continuing threat. APAC consortium would have the 3rd and 4th best conferences.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Comet » Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:33 pm

Apple could be a possible suitor now:

https://nypost.com/2023/02/21/apple-eme ... -football/
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Terry Webster » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:16 pm

Comet wrote:Apple could be a possible suitor now:

https://nypost.com/2023/02/21/apple-eme ... -football/


If this is serious it is a huge thing.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Rla1022 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:34 pm

Rice is officially out for now. So are they looking for travel partners? If so and rice is out who do you think ? Tulane would be great and breaks into SEC territory? UTSA OR Texas State?

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... ac-12-rice

This one posits a 14/16 league with SDSU and SMU , Fresno and new Mexico and Colorado State.

https://stanford.rivals.com/news/joint- ... zIK-yVFxkt
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Rla1022 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:39 pm

Terry Webster wrote:
Comet wrote:Apple could be a possible suitor now:

https://nypost.com/2023/02/21/apple-eme ... -football/


If this is serious it is a huge thing.

Apple has never not been in negotiations.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby PonyME » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:49 pm

This may be a red herring, especially given the source, but if true would be good news. More bidders…higher PAC $ contract. The PAC needs to ink the highest per member deal, including SDSU and SMU, period. Expand/maintain the PAC footprint with PAC quality schools. Get in bed with Apple or Amazon with full rights knowing that it likely means less visibility in the short term. So what? It’s not 1983-1988 we’re talking about a 2024- 2029 deal. There’s a 12 team CFP plan in place, conference champ gets auto bid and there will be lots of competition for the at large bids. I have a hard time believing that over time the media and college football fans wouldn’t flock to whatever network or ap is playing the most relevant and exciting games throughout the season. It’s about performance on the field and marketing/brand in my opinion. SMU will be a great partner in five years in my opinion. I think the same can be said for UCF and Houston for the Big 12.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby MustangStealth » Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:22 pm

Terry Webster wrote:
Comet wrote:Apple could be a possible suitor now:

https://nypost.com/2023/02/21/apple-eme ... -football/


If this is serious it is a huge thing.


Why? They have a tiny subscriber base compared to other distribution platforms.
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Rla1022 » Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:45 pm

MustangStealth wrote:
Terry Webster wrote:
Comet wrote:Apple could be a possible suitor now:

https://nypost.com/2023/02/21/apple-eme ... -football/


If this is serious it is a huge thing.


Why? They have a tiny subscriber base compared to other distribution platforms.

Very narrow thinking. Last number I found says Apple has 1.8 billion devices iPhones and iPads alone . Estimated at about 30 million is Apple TV subscribers. Each and every single device has Apple TV installed. Apple TV doesn’t require a subscription for some content. Additionally a small percentage are actually paying for Apple TV. You don’t even need to subscribe to Apple TV to get MLB. I don’t know the ins and outs of the MLS deal but I’m sure there’s a small fee ? I doubt Apple would create a COLLEGE FOOTBALL app cause I’m sure someone will sue but that would be cool
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Re: PAC12 Scenario = Expansion

Postby Comet » Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:31 am

MustangStealth wrote:
Terry Webster wrote:
Comet wrote:Apple could be a possible suitor now:

https://nypost.com/2023/02/21/apple-eme ... -football/


If this is serious it is a huge thing.


Why? They have a tiny subscriber base compared to other distribution platforms.

Depends how much they’re willing to pay for content to grow their subscriber base. The other component here is that we still could see a PAC media deal that is split between ESPN, Amazon, and Apple TV - each paying for different tier rights. If so that could be a decent payday for the conference.
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