Re: Third PAC Target "Confirmed"
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:10 pm
Ask the B10, Pac12 and the ACC if academics don’t matter.
mtrout wrote:Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington State... trash trash trash
Nebraska, Louisville... tt ttttt ttttrash
"All good schools" as my dad would say (I never heard him say any school was not a good school...)
Rice to Pac12. They blow us away in academics and actually won a football conference championship in 2013. We get 5th literally every year.
Aztecgolfer wrote:orguy wrote:Aztecgolfer: UTSA is perceived as a junior college similar to Boise. As such
it's unlikely the PAC is interested.
Really? Nearly 35K students and an R1 rating and considered a junior college. I guess it's true, in Texas everything is bigger.
orguy wrote:Aztecgolfer wrote:orguy wrote:Aztecgolfer: UTSA is perceived as a junior college similar to Boise. As such
it's unlikely the PAC is interested.
Really? Nearly 35K students and an R1 rating and considered a junior college. I guess it's true, in Texas everything is bigger.
Attention to detail is not your forte. Notice I used the word perceived.
BTW: here in northern Cali, SDSU and the other Cal States are correctly
known to be inferior to the UC system schools because by most measures
they are. SDSU is only of interest to the PAC because of the LA Tv market
and it's brand new stadium. Long Beach State has 60k students. If they
had a not dropped football and played in a good G5 then schools like
SDSU/Fresno would not be in the conversation.
Aztecgolfer wrote:orguy wrote:Aztecgolfer wrote:
Really? Nearly 35K students and an R1 rating and considered a junior college. I guess it's true, in Texas everything is bigger.
Attention to detail is not your forte. Notice I used the word perceived.
BTW: here in northern Cali, SDSU and the other Cal States are correctly
known to be inferior to the UC system schools because by most measures
they are. SDSU is only of interest to the PAC because of the LA Tv market
and it's brand new stadium. Long Beach State has 60k students. If they
had a not dropped football and played in a good G5 then schools like
SDSU/Fresno would not be in the conversation.
Only been here a week and my first insult, Nice!
Not sure there is much difference between the word "perceived" and "considered" but you go on bud. You are right, however. I'm not much into details unless I am working on my CAD drawings. I've always been more of a "big picture" guy and leave the details to others when I can.
Nice to call SDSU an inferior school, makes you come across as arrogant and, from the rest of your post, that seems to be an appropriate description. So I will proceed accordingly
As CSUs go, SDSU is the best of the bunch. Its acceptance rate (between 37-39% on average the last 5 years) is lower than many of the PAC schools and some of the UC Schools. Yes, the UC schools lobbied in the 60s to ensure that CSU schools could not independently award PhDs, so we have to partner with schools like UCSD and UCI to award 18 of the 19 PhDs we do offer. We also offer 6 or so independent doctoral level degrees in audiology, education and physical therapy. Currently, we are allowed to independently award PhDs in public health. SDSU is on pace to be classified a R1 university before we are admitted to the PAC. I have heard that we already meet the requirements for that designation. We're doing pretty well considering the artificial barriers put in front of us, though those barriers are slowly being chipped away. The UC system does not want to add campuses while the demand for graduate degrees continues to rise. Our campus expansion, which includes our new stadium, is geared towards increasing our research capabilities. We will see that part of the Mission Valley development begin in early 2024. The campus expansion will allow us to increase our student enrollment from 35K to up to 50K, which would be the largest enrollment among the CSU schools. Sorry, but LBSU has an enrollment of 40K, not 60K. Were we to hit 50K, we would have the largest enrollment of any college in California. SDSU is the second oldest CSU university and its main campus size has been a limiting factor for growth, though the university owns much of the property surrounding the campus and continues to buy properties as they become available. A buddy of mine sold one his apartment buildings near the campus a few years ago .
Had LBSU not eliminated football 32 years ago, they may have been considered for PAC expansion if their academics had tracked along with SDSU. But, they dropped football and their academics are not up to the level of SDSU so that point is moot. I don't understand your logic for even bringing that up. You may as well said that UCSD would be considered if they had football given they recently made the jump to Div. 1 sports and is a fine academic institution. Neither Fresno, UNLV nor Boise St. have gotten a serious look from the PAC because of academics.
SDSU is not being considered because of the LA market as San Diego is a completely separate from LA. Thank God we have Camp Pendleton as a barrier to expansion from the north or it would be solid development from LA to the border. SDSU is being considered because of its own market of 3.3M people, one that the PAC currently claims via USCLA. I know it is routine for NoCalers to lump San Diego together with LA but that is out of ignorance. Not only do we have a new $350M stadium as part of our $3B campus expansion but we have invested nearly a half billion dollars in our athletics infrastructure in the last 25 years. Over the last 40 some odd years we have worked hard to improve ourselves both academically and athletically and that work is now paying off.
SDSU is the PAC's first choice for expansion and we got our offer back in October. Sorry, SMU is not the PAC's first choice though I can understand why they are in the conversation despite being a R2 research institution.
Please feel free to respond so I can educate you further. I don't mind.
Nedward wrote:https://kslsports.com/499432/opinion-making-sense-of-the-latest-pac-12-media-rights-rumors/
Excellent piece although it will upset the trolls because it's informed, reasonable and thoughtful.