June 30 is fast approaching

[Dukie]

It is doubtful that we would even be considered for the PAC if we had not emphasized academics since the dp.

What? SMU's relative academic standing (roughly Top 70) is worse today than at the time of the DP (roughly Top 50).

[mtrout]

At least we have more 'athletics friendly' majors now.

[Dukie]

At least we have more 'athletics friendly' majors now.

Maybe that's what was meant--emphasizing helping athletes succeed academically.

[SMUstang]

It is doubtful that we would even be considered for the PAC if we had not emphasized academics since the dp.

What? SMU's relative academic standing (roughly Top 70) is worse today than at the time of the DP (roughly Top 50).

Just curious, where did you find this data?

[redpony]

IIRC there was a post on Around the hilltop some months ago comparing us to a california univ. about 20 yrs ago and then today. don't remember which one but it showed they had moved up significantly in both standing and endowment and we remained somewhat flat..
Maybe not what you are looking for but it was a comparison

[EastStang]

US News rankings we're 72. However, that puts us ahead of CO, AZ, OR, UU, ASU, OrS, SDSU, and WSU. Only trail Cal, Stanford and UW. (I didn't count UCLA and USC since they're leaving, but they're ahead of us in those rankings).

[SMUstang]

I believe the current US News ranking. But I question the 1985 ranking. I'm thinking we have made significant progress since then.

[Dukie]

I believe the current US News ranking. But I question the 1985 ranking. I'm thinking we have made significant progress since then.

There are many pages of recent (last 2-3 months) of folks discussing this here, both SMU v TCU and SMU today versus a couple decades ago. I’m not going to search for it but the evidence presented there was compelling that SMU today is still ahead of TCU but that gap has narrowed and SMU’s ranking has slipped generally.

[SMUstang]

Posted on "Around the Hilltop" on June 11, 2023. " For the first time ever, SMU has 3 grad schools in the top 50 according to @USNews!! #coxschoolofbusiness #simmonsschoolofeducation #dedmanschooloflaw." Hard to believe we were better in 1985 although this says nothing about the other schools or the undergraduate program.

[max the wonder dog]

Posted on "Around the Hilltop" on June 11, 2023. " For the first time ever, SMU has 3 grad schools in the top 50 according to @USNews!! #coxschoolofbusiness #simmonsschoolofeducation #dedmanschooloflaw." Hard to believe we were better in 1985 although this says nothing about the other schools or the undergraduate program.

There's still a lot of work to do. We no longer are the top DFW schools in the categories that matter.

Dedman is #45. aTm Law School, an also-ran as Texas Wesleyan, is #29.

Cox is #33. UT Dallas is #27.

[orguy]

Not really a cause for alarm. Ut d is a jco. Business school rankings matter little. We are still far above UT jco in overall student quality. SMU must focus on Science and Engineering regardless.
Business schools contribute little to the USNews algorithm. If SMU desires AAU status
then focus on those programs that are regarded as "academic" by those in the say.

[Topper]

Not really a cause for alarm. Ut d is a jco. Business school rankings matter little. We are still far above UT jco in overall student quality. SMU must focus on Science and Engineering regardless.
Business schools contribute little to the USNews algorithm. If SMU desires AAU status
then focus on those programs that are regarded as "academic" by those in the say.

I understand that AAU status is considered desirable but from what I can tell it mostly measures the number of grad programs offered across a variety of fields at the various institutions. That is why so many of the members seem to be major state flagship schools or in many cases institutions much older than SMU that have picked up additional degree offerings over the years. This is out of favor, but I judge the quality of a school I'm more interested in the math and verbal scores of the freshman class than the number of PhDs the school offers. By that measure SMU is pretty successful.

[SMUstang]

Is June 30 the real deadline for SDSU or did the MWC grant them another 30 days? Will the Big XII pounce? when? Will the PAC share media rights info with SDSU to get them to stay?

[Water Pony]

Is June 30 the real deadline for SDSU or did the MWC grant them another 30 days? Will the Big XII pounce? when? Will the PAC share media rights info with SDSU to get them to stay?

The deadline for avoiding in the greater exit fee is real and MWC is unwilling to grant an extension to the deadline. That is in MWC's best interest candidly.

[redpony]

the fat lady is warming up. she is ready for an additional 16mil.. if this deal even happens. It would not surprise me if B12 offered sdsu a place at the table at the last moment. hence destroying any possible P12 deal.