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Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:46 amby ericdickerson4life
SoCal_Pony wrote:Well I've been following SMU fb for some 45 years and the only coaching staff I remember being as excited about was Ron Meyer.
But there's also nothing wrong with putting some perspective on all this.
USF has not had a winning season since 2010 and no real fb tradition, so the argument that 'we stink, therefore it hinders our recruiting' certainly doesn't apply to USF. They are currently ranked #60 on Rivals while SMU is ranked #39.
SMU has 18 commits, USF has 9.
On average, each USF commit has 8 other offers besides their USF offer.
In total, USF commits have 21 P5 offers. This includes offers from Miami FL (2 players), Nebraska (their QB), Wisconsin, Florida, Missouri and LSU. Remember, we have twice as many commits so for SMU to be on par with P5 offers, our commits would need to currently have 42 P5 offers in total.
And one of their 5.4 ranked players has offers from Miami FL and Pitt.
Again, this is no criticism of CM, I think he's going to be great. Just comparing us to our real competition, those schools like us who are G5 teams serious about moving up to P5.
Just to add some complexity to this discussion. I suspect regions mean a lot. I'm not an expert recruiter, not on any other boards or know much about stars or points (that's my disclosure), but I would think some northern schools focus more on specific regions (Florida/SE, Texas/SW, Cali/W). So a school like Pitt may not really do major recruiting in Texas and spend most of their time in Florida. It just adds a wrinkle into the mix when even comparing offers. I know this, I'd take the HS kids in Texas over any other state. HCCM locking down commits from top notch DFW schools speaks volumes. If they are ranked 0.2 points lower, I don't care. I think you'd have to be blind to not see this is a great class for us at this time in our program's history.
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:46 amby Lebanese4Life
Pony Boss wrote: In Quarterbacks alone, SMU's commit is better than any other in the AAC, by number and quality of offers.
Please verify your info before you pull stuff from your [deleted]. Check out Houston's QB:
http://sports.yahoo.com/houston/footbal ... lls-148511
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:49 amby Stallion
Last time I looked Scout had ranked David Moore over Bowman Sells and Moore definitely has more than 3 times as many offers-most of Sells offers weren't committable. Ohio St. for example-not since Tristan Wallace committed etc. I don't think Sells could have committed to a F5 schools if he wanted to but he might have got a committable offer sooner or later. He fell to UH because those other schools were slow playing him for insurance. Rivals has Sells with 6 offers. Moore has at least 21 offers. QB recruiting is best thought of as a game of musical chairs. Most teams only sign 1 QB and QBs are the first to commit. The decision of the top QBs reduces the chairs available for the others and it quickly cascades down. QB recruiting is for the most part over unless somebody decommits. The Top 13 and 27 of the Top 30 QBs have already committed 7 months before signing date
yep Moore ranked No. 42 QB and Sells No. 45
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:15 amby gostangs
Lebanese I can speed this up for you and save you some embarrassment. Based on years of watching the show, If you are on the other side of a recruiting argument from Stallion (in football) you will lose. Just stop now and minimize the damage.
And by the way - he was the first to complain when it we were doing nothing - so he is not one to pump sunshine. He just knows more than you or anyone else on this site about football recruiting. If stallion is happy with our recruiting (which I have never seen until now) than I am happy.
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:53 pmby East Coast Mustang
Sells' SMU offer wasn't even committable. He wanted to commit to us 2 days before Moore did and we slow played him
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:11 pmby Pony Boss
Lebanese4Life wrote:Pony Boss wrote: In Quarterbacks alone, SMU's commit is better than any other in the AAC, by number and quality of offers.
Please verify your info before you pull stuff from your [deleted]. Check out Houston's QB:
http://sports.yahoo.com/houston/footbal ... lls-148511
What a jokester...if you knew anything about what has been going on in SMU recruiting, you would know that SMU chose Moore over Sells, and as others have said in this topic before, his "great" offers were not committable. So no, I am not pulling stuff out of my [deleted], and I know what I am talking about.
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:03 pmby smusic 00
Popcorn!
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:39 pmby Lebanese4Life
i know that stallion knows his stuff but u can't look at the recruiting site that favors your argument.
Cool, Sells is ranked 3 spots lower than Moore on Scout. On Rivals, Sells is the 12th ranked QB on Rivals while Moore is NR.
Yeah, Moore has a buttload of offers - 20 of them. Majority of them are from weak programs like Charlotte, East Michigan, Georgia St., South Alabama, Southern Illinois, etc. They mean squat.
Moore's P5 offers are Utah, Wake, Syracuse, Oregon St., Illinois, Colorado St. Compare that to Sells P5 offers: Iowa, Ohio St., Texas, Clemson. Sells wins the battle of 'quality offers.' Screw uncommitable/commitable. Fact is, those schools were interested and extended an offer. Pick a metric and stick to it. There needs to be consistency when comparing two players.
It's all subjective - Since SMU was looking for a dual-threat QB they took Moore over Sells. Sells is the better pro-style QB.
My point is you can't just say Moore is the best QB recruit in the AAC - you just sound biased.
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:52 pmby CoxMustangFan
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:59 pmby gostangs
you can't just say "screw committable non-committable. For a QB - that is everything. Bottom line - our staff had their choice and they chose Moore. That means he is better.
UH got our left over. He dropped from having interest from UT and Ohio state to have to grab UH on the way down. Must have been a rough month.
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:12 amby East Coast Mustang
Lebanese4Life wrote:Screw uncommitable/commitable.
Actually in the grand scheme of things I'd say it's pretty important. Schools will "offer" and try and get you to visit while they do their due diligence and wait to see if better options emerge. You'll see coaches slow play guys all the time and tell them to wait and visit with their parents and talk it over before "committing" if it's someone they're not sure they want. I can think of several uncommitted 2016 guys with SMU "offers" right now that aren't committable- it's all a numbers/waiting game.
Lebanese4Life wrote:Pick a metric and stick to it. There needs to be consistency when comparing two players.
Ok, one player had a committable offer from SMU and the other one didn't. Hey, that was pretty easy!
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:28 amby smusic 00
Haha, love you guys! We got the one we wanted, bottom line. Houston got sloppy seconds.
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:03 amby Lebanese4Life
an uncommitable offer shouldnt be listed as an offer in the first place. if a uni is slowplaying a recruit and just keeping him on the reel, that shouldnt be considered an offer. not sure how the recruiting sites see it
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:25 amby ponyboy
I like the critical stance, but did we or didn't we get the better quarterback, L4L?
Re: SMU is currently #44 on rivals 2016 recruiting ranks
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Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:33 amby Lebanese4Life
depends on if u want a dual-threat or a pro-style QB
