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[hoopmanx]

but SMU won't pull that for anyone not from Texas or Top 10

[Pony Boss]

We have not been that good in recent history so it's not fair to say people won't watch the games were SMU to become a powerhouse football program.

[LA_Mustang]

The only team that will ever deliver the DFW market is the Dallas Cowboys. No one in the big 12 does individually, maybe cow gets the most views followed by oklahoma. SMU delivering 15-20% of DFW market would make it a solid contributor to any conference.

I'm not sure what you mean by delivering the DFW market but the Mavs do very well ratings wise and advertisers looking to reach M25-54 love to buy their spots during games.

[Pony Boss]

The only team that will ever deliver the DFW market is the Dallas Cowboys. No one in the big 12 does individually, maybe cow gets the most views followed by oklahoma. SMU delivering 15-20% of DFW market would make it a solid contributor to any conference.

I'm not sure what you mean by delivering the DFW market but the Mavs do very well ratings wise and advertisers looking to reach M25-54 love to buy their spots during games.

The statement about the cowboys is mostly hyperbole. Point I was trying to make is that no one college team really dominates and not even one conference although SEC and Big 12 do well in this market.

but what I don't understand is how some SMU fans try to bring up numbers for attendance and tv from 30 plus years ago, when things were completely different, and just say that SMU is limited in it's ability to produce an exciting product that will elicit the attention of a significant portion of Dallas/FW. Horse before the cart, let the program develop into a powerhouse before losing all hope of being attractive enough to be admitted to a power league ( by the way, more than half of power league teams are useless and I only count 18 to 20 blue bloods )

[hoopmanx]

The only team that will ever deliver the DFW market is the Dallas Cowboys. No one in the big 12 does individually, maybe cow gets the most views followed by oklahoma. SMU delivering 15-20% of DFW market would make it a solid contributor to any conference.

I'm not sure what you mean by delivering the DFW market but the Mavs do very well ratings wise and advertisers looking to reach M25-54 love to buy their spots during games.

The statement about the cowboys is mostly hyperbole. Point I was trying to make is that no one college team really dominates and not even one conference although SEC and Big 12 do well in this market.

but what I don't understand is how some SMU fans try to bring up numbers for attendance and tv from 30 plus years ago, when things were completely different, and just say that SMU is limited in it's ability to produce an exciting product that will elicit the attention of a significant portion of Dallas/FW. Horse before the cart, let the program develop into a powerhouse before losing all hope of being attractive enough to be admitted to a power league ( by the way, more than half of power league teams are useless and I only count 18 to 20 blue bloods )

I think it starts w/IF you, the individual, think the program can develop into a powerhouse that will elicit the attention of a significant portion of DFW? LIke they say on XFiles, I want to believe, just not sure I do. Hoops is a different beast where successful models for medium-sized private schools/programs are fairly well defined. Who are we trying to be and what kind of money does it truly take to get there? I don't buy the Stanford-type comparisons. Maybe the U? What private school w/6500 undergrad kids is killing it in football? I don't know, I'm asking.

[StallionsModelT]

I don't know about 6,500 students but there is a school 40 miles west of Dallas with 8,500 students that is killing it in football. I don't think the number of students is hurting SMU. Keeping June on post-ASU, if we are forever relegated to the second tier, will have been the death knell of SMU football.

[Pony_Law]

I don't know about 6,500 students but there is a school 40 miles west of Dallas with 8,500 students that is killing it in football. I don't think the number of students is hurting SMU. Keeping June on post-ASU, if we are forever relegated to the second tier, will have been the death knell of SMU football.

Of course that school is killing it all under the same coach. Tcu was luck yhe wasn't poached a long time ago. Quite frankly TCU put them selves in position to always be competative (they got major conference money now) but that doesn't mean they will be any good once the coaching situation changes. Nebraska, Miami, ND, USC and Michigan used to compete for national titles now not so much. No one's place at the top of the ladder is assured. I have a strong suspicion that tcu and Baylor are more like texas tech then like Oklahoma.

[hoopmanx]

I don't know about 6,500 students but there is a school 40 miles west of Dallas with 8,500 students that is killing it in football. I don't think the number of students is hurting SMU. Keeping June on post-ASU, if we are forever relegated to the second tier, will have been the death knell of SMU football.

Of course that school is killing it all under the same coach. Tcu was luck yhe wasn't poached a long time ago. Quite frankly TCU put them selves in position to always be competative (they got major conference money now) but that doesn't mean they will be any good once the coaching situation changes. Nebraska, Miami, ND, USC and Michigan used to compete for national titles now not so much. No one's place at the top of the ladder is assured. I have a strong suspicion that tcu and Baylor are more like texas tech then like Oklahoma.

IF Morris is the guy and everyone is sold. He recruits like a madman and his system wows, how long till we're a national player? Top 25 stature, actual victories over big 12 schools, legit bowls? In a perfect world he gets everything he wants and needs through SMU from facilities to admissions etc.

[Nacho]

5 years

[Pony81]

Morris needs to get 4-5 AAC wins this year to get that WOW factor working. Then he is off to the races.

If he rolls in 3-9 or worse then he won't get any momentun in recruiting.

Something tells me that this team will over achieve and we will see a middle tier AAC team at year end.

[Pony Boss]

I don't know about 6,500 students but there is a school 40 miles west of Dallas with 8,500 students that is killing it in football. I don't think the number of students is hurting SMU. Keeping June on post-ASU, if we are forever relegated to the second tier, will have been the death knell of SMU football.

Of course that school is killing it all under the same coach. Tcu was luck yhe wasn't poached a long time ago. Quite frankly TCU put them selves in position to always be competative (they got major conference money now) but that doesn't mean they will be any good once the coaching situation changes. Nebraska, Miami, ND, USC and Michigan used to compete for national titles now not so much. No one's place at the top of the ladder is assured. I have a strong suspicion that tcu and Baylor are more like texas tech then like Oklahoma.

Yes but Gary Patterson has upgraded the TCU job and they are in a position to make a solid hire once he leaves. Also remember TCU (and recently SMU) was among the very few G5 programs who paid like a Power school and that may have helped in keeping him there. Like someone else mentioned, TCU took advantage of their SWC/power league past and dominated these smaller leagues, we did not. We are paying Chad well and I'm sure we will pony up 3 or 4 million if that is what it will take him to stay a few more years after he gets us competitive again, and I don't mean 7 to 9 wins...I'm talking TCU/Boise 10 plus win territory which is very doable with the level of competition in our future schedules.

[ponyboy]

5 years

Yes.

[gostangs]

Boy I totally disagree with you 81. It would be great to get the mo this year but there is no expectation for it. 3 wins would be just fine. Recruits are not stupid - they will see the progress. These coaches flat out work their [deleted] off. I have never been as pumped as I am now for what we have coming. Hell June mailed it in on recruiting and got to three bowls in this league. Chad can and will own it in three years.

[Stallion]

Ron Meyer got all the momentum he needed from a 3-8 season-he did beat Arkansas in Shreveport 35-31 at the gun in season finale -but it was style of play and his personality which significantly increased recruiting success. That was an excellent-muy Bueno- bridge class that played a big role in turning program around including Mike Ford who was an All-American candidate and Freshman All-American until tearing up his knee

[mrydel]

Meyer said to win your first game, win your last game, and beat your biggest rival to gain momentum.