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Is anyone else mad, slightly upset, even annoyed that we have put ourselves in this position again>

There has been a lot of blame and hate hurled toward the NCAA. We cheated, yet again, I don't really care if Larry knew or not, I don't care if we appeal or not. The bottom line is, we should never have been in this situation.

Yes, plenty of other teams cheat...Much different though from illegal contact from recruits..illegal text messages....

SMU actively cheated by having someone else do course work.

I don't really care that many others have done it, I don't really care that maybe our punishment is too harsh.

Bottom line, we should not have done it.

We need to just own up to the fact that we cheated, and someone else doing coursework is bad...

Cannot blame this on the NCAA or our past, we just did stupid things, and we have to pay for it.

And it makes me mad.

this was amateur hour intentional cheating-the entire mess around Frazier does not smell good to me. Right there with ya

If you lived near a flagship state school with a huge and highly profitable athletic department, as I do, you see what only an idiot would not recognize as improper benefits being bestowed on scholarship athletes as a fact of life. No one should cheat, but when cheating is permissive for some, but not for the elite, then the environment is a class system with some above the law. "Cheating" is really the norm and is a meaningless term in such a circumstance.. Should it have happened? No. We are a little private school being targeted as an example to help preserve the false image the NCAA wants to project. We know that we are always suspect and yes, I am mad at the people responsible for this mess, but I hate the hypocrisy that permeates the investigation and finger pointing.

No

We are the permanent beta testers for new and exciting ncaa punishments.

Hey the "hate" (aka strong disagreement) thrown out at the NCAA was due to their ridiculous punishments and lack thereof to the big $ schools. All I ask from the NCAA is they rule fairly to ALL. They clearly don't because they themselves cheat the little schools and do these kind of punishments to look like they actually are enforcing the rules. We should appeal the penalties and agree to Larry being 50-75% out and remove the ridiculous post-season ban and scholarships.

I always advise anyone who subscribes to the purity of the NCAA to read Hans Christian Andersen's 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.

This is a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE cheats, so much so that, as Topper alluded to, the word becomes meaningless.

You only have to look at two of the finest public universities in America to understand the severity of it all. The NCAA finds that SMU paid its entire FB team some $61k and gives us the death penalty. Less than a decade later, its discovered that only four U of Michigan BB players were paid some $620k. North Carolina has committed academic fraud for decades to benefit some 1,200 of its athletes.

Now I realize each circumstance is different and SMU was not very sophisticated in its cheating. But to the bigger point, everyone does it.

And less we forget, Hoopmanx warned us before he ever signed that Keith carried a lot of baggage, yet that did not prevent UT (another outstanding academic institution) from being one of his biggest pursuers.

Hard not to be pissed with the new pricing

fifty wrote:We are the permanent beta testers for new and exciting ncaa punishments.

Solid

Or can we be the face of a new way of thinking. When adversity knocks, so does opportunity...

SMUstangs22 wrote:Or can we be the face of a new way of thinking. When adversity knocks, so does opportunity...

Wax on, wax off

The entire idea of student-athlete is violated by creating majors for the express purpose of having an easy course of study for athletes. And yet everyone does that (including SMU - does anyone believe we would offer APSM without it having been asked for by the coaches?).

That said, the NCAA, whose purpose is to continue the smokescreen, is a total and complete joke.

Their business model is outdated and it's time to replace them with a forward-thinking organization that fits the present day.

CalallenStang wrote:The entire idea of student-athlete is violated by creating majors for the express purpose of having an easy course of study for athletes. And yet everyone does that (including SMU - does anyone believe we would offer APSM without it having been asked for by the coaches?).

That said, the NCAA, whose purpose is to continue the smokescreen, is a total and complete joke.

Their business model is outdated and it's time to replace them with a forward-thinking organization that fits the present day.

yeah….like FIFA or the IOC.

shadowman wrote:Is anyone else mad, slightly upset, even annoyed that we have put ourselves in this position again>

There has been a lot of blame and hate hurled toward the NCAA. We cheated, yet again, I don't really care if Larry knew or not, I don't care if we appeal or not. The bottom line is, we should never have been in this situation.

Yes, plenty of other teams cheat...Much different though from illegal contact from recruits..illegal text messages....

SMU actively cheated by having someone else do course work.

I don't really care that many others have done it, I don't really care that maybe our punishment is too harsh.

Bottom line, we should not have done it.

We need to just own up to the fact that we cheated, and someone else doing coursework is bad...

Cannot blame this on the NCAA or our past, we just did stupid things, and we have to pay for it.

And it makes me mad.

Not sure I understand this "we cheated" stuff. "We" discovered that someone took it upon themselves to break NCAA rules and "We" reported it and that includes the golf coach's actions. If "we" were cheating, why would "we" report it. "We" have a robust compliance staff in place. Stuff like that is going to happen anywhere. It has probably happened many times at many places and has never seen the light of day. It appears to me that "we" are doing what "we" can to keep these things from happening and when they do "we" react correctly to the situation. That is more than can be said about a lot of universities. I see no reason for embarrassment considering the efforts "We" make to run a clean program.

Someone in the system cheated, and I do not have a problem taking some punishment for that. however, you are correct, we run a very tight ship, we reported the incident, and they dropped the hammer. And therein lies the issue. We're getting nuked for a self-reported single violation, and we took reasonable action in-house. I expected that we lose a scholarship or two (but so many over so long?), I have no issue with LB being suspended for a few games (but 9? really?) and a post season ban? We have to stand up for ourselves and have at least attempt some of these sanctions rolled back.