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If it is a tie

Postby Terry Webster » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:10 pm

If both SMU and uc end up 17-1, who gets the first seed in the tourney? Does our margin of victory make a difference here?
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:16 pm

It will give you a headache if you start thinking about it. From the American media guide:

Seeding & Tie-Breaking Procedures
Overall Conference record, at the conclusion of the regular season, is used to seed
teams numbering 1 through 11. If an institution is ineligible for tournament competition,
all tiebreaking procedures will be followed, then the ineligible team will be removed
from the tournament field and seeds will be adjusted accordingly in an upward manner.
The following procedures are in place to establish seeding for the championship and to
break ties. Follow the appropriate steps in order.
Two-Team Tie
1. Regular season head-to-head results (one or two games). If the tied teams split
their two games, then proceed to Step 2.
2. Each team’s record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the
standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
When comparing records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties
are broken), the following may apply:
a. If the games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage
prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following
scenarios apply:
i. Most wins do prevail only if the team with fewer wins could not equal that
win total if they played the same number of games. Two examples of many
scenarios that do provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 3-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-1
ii. Most wins do not prevail if the team with fewer wins could equal or surpass
the win total of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not
provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-1 2) Team A 2-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-0
iii. Fewer losses do not prevail if the teams have the same number of wins and if
the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other
team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-0 2) Team A 0-1
Team B 1-1 Team B 0-2
c. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the
standings for comparison.
d. If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or
teams in the standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams
in order and allow winning percentage to prevail even if there is a comparison of
unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000, is 2-0 better than
1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all have a
.000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better than 0-2)
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Mustangs35SMU » Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:21 pm

That's a headache waiting to happen...but I believe someone on the AACbbs board said if Memphis finishes above UCF in the standings, SMU is #1 and if UCF finishes above Memphis in the standings, then it's Cincy.
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby arekp01 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:24 am

DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:d. If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or
teams in the standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams
in order and allow winning percentage to prevail even if there is a comparison of
unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000, is 2-0 better than
1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all have a
.000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better than 0-2)


If both teams win out, this is all that matters. Cincy played ECU and Memphis once, and SMU played UCF and USF once.

It would essentially come down to which of those four teams finished highest in conference, of which Memphis currently leads UCF by two games.

Given that the home team will likely be in the 4/5 game, the advantage of being the 1 seed instead of the 2 may be next to nothing.
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Dukie » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:49 am

Go Memphis, and whatever UConn starts doing-winning or losing--they need to keep doing.
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby sadderbudweiser » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:51 am

Dukie wrote:Go Memphis, and whatever UConn starts doing-winning or losing--they need to keep doing.


UCONN is 4-1 since losing to us and they are creeping up in the standings. But, of the four wins three are against the bottom three and the other is UCF who is on a losing streak. The loss is to Cincy.

The next three will say alot about UCONN: Memphis at home and then Temple and Houston on the road...before we visit Storrs.
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby sadderbudweiser » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:44 pm

DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:It will give you a headache if you start thinking about it. From the American media guide:

Seeding & Tie-Breaking Procedures
Overall Conference record, at the conclusion of the regular season, is used to seed
teams numbering 1 through 11. If an institution is ineligible for tournament competition,
all tiebreaking procedures will be followed, then the ineligible team will be removed
from the tournament field and seeds will be adjusted accordingly in an upward manner.
The following procedures are in place to establish seeding for the championship and to
break ties. Follow the appropriate steps in order.
Two-Team Tie
1. Regular season head-to-head results (one or two games). If the tied teams split
their two games, then proceed to Step 2.
2. Each team’s record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the
standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
When comparing records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties
are broken), the following may apply:
a. If the games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage
prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following
scenarios apply:
i. Most wins do prevail only if the team with fewer wins could not equal that
win total if they played the same number of games. Two examples of many
scenarios that do provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 3-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-1
ii. Most wins do not prevail if the team with fewer wins could equal or surpass
the win total of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not
provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-1 2) Team A 2-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-0
iii. Fewer losses do not prevail if the teams have the same number of wins and if
the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other
team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-0 2) Team A 0-1
Team B 1-1 Team B 0-2
c. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the
standings for comparison.
d. If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or
teams in the standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams
in order and allow winning percentage to prevail even if there is a comparison of
unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000, is 2-0 better than
1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all have a
.000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better than 0-2)




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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Dukie » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:06 pm

With UConn beating Memphis by 3 at home last night, Memphis' lead over UCF is down to one game. I care a lot less about being the # 1 seed than I care about UConn being on the other side of the bracket, so tell me if they are in the 3/6 or 4/5 side and I'll tell you what I'm rooting for in terms of tiebreakers.

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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Stallion » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:12 pm

No. 1 seed isn't even guaranteed to play the weakest opponent-I've always questioned how the AAC does their seeding.

No. 1 seed plays the 8/9 winner but lower seeds could end up playing the 10 seed or even the 11 seed. Sad

The No. 1 seed should play the lowest seeded team that advances to the 2nd round. Difference could be substantial. Compare having to play Temple instead of USF (1-13)
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Dukie » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:49 pm

Stallion wrote:No. 1 seed isn't even guaranteed to play the weakest opponent-I've always questioned how the AAC does their seeding.

No. 1 seed plays the 8/9 winner but lower seeds could end up playing the 10 seed or even the 11 seed. Sad

The No. 1 seed should play the lowest seeded team that advances to the 2nd round. Difference could be substantial. Compare having to play Temple instead of USF (1-13)


I don't disagree; the NFL dynamic model is fairer. But the static model of giving the highest seed the easiest route assuming the higher-seeded team wins every game is standard in college basketball. I follow a lot of conferences and the NCAAs, and I don't think there's any that depart from this norm. I think the NIT does, maybe.

PS You forgot the exclamation point after "Sad"
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If it is a tie

Postby Grant Carter » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:02 pm

It is the same logic as the NCAA tourney. Look at from the perspective of a 15 seed. They manage to beat the two seed and their reward is to play the 1 seed? Would not seem right to me. Granted, their are geographic issues in the NCAA tourney that do not apply in a conference tourney.
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Whitwiki Pony » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:29 am

Dukie wrote:

PS You forgot the exclamation point after "Sad"


Has anyone noticed stallion is posting like trump lately?
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Junior » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:54 am

Dukie wrote:With UConn beating Memphis by 3 at home last night, Memphis' lead over UCF is down to one game. I care a lot less about being the # 1 seed than I care about UConn being on the other side of the bracket, so tell me if they are in the 3/6 or 4/5 side and I'll tell you what I'm rooting for in terms of tiebreakers.

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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Stallion » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:39 pm

Grant Carter wrote:It is the same logic as the NCAA tourney. Look at from the perspective of a 15 seed. They manage to beat the two seed and their reward is to play the 1 seed? Would not seem right to me. Granted, their are geographic issues in the NCAA tourney that do not apply in a conference tourney.


The Difference is the First Round. No. 1 Seed plays No. 64 Seed (out of 64)

in AAC No. 1 Seed can play no better than 8/9 Seed (out of 11)

I think the No. 1 seed has earned the right to play the winner of a play-in 10/11 matchup

I'm not talking about Second Round
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Re: If it is a tie

Postby Grant Carter » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:54 pm

Stallion wrote:
Grant Carter wrote:It is the same logic as the NCAA tourney. Look at from the perspective of a 15 seed. They manage to beat the two seed and their reward is to play the 1 seed? Would not seem right to me. Granted, their are geographic issues in the NCAA tourney that do not apply in a conference tourney.


The Difference is the First Round. No. 1 Seed plays No. 64 Seed (out of 64)

in AAC No. 1 Seed can play no better than 8/9 Seed (out of 11)

I think the No. 1 seed has earned the right to play the winner of a play-in 10/11 matchup

I'm not talking about Second Round

If 10/11 play in what you call the play in game (which is really the first round) then do you suggest that 8/9 play each other and 6/7 play each other, or how would you set that up? It seems to me the 6 seed has earned the right to play the 11 seed and the 7 seed has earned the right to play the 10 seed.
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