BBALL recruiting decline

[ponyboy101]

according to 247 sports are recruiting classes have gotten worse just about every single year since the 2013 class. check the national and AAC rankings below

2013 - national rank 23 - AAC rank 2 -- Keith Frazier (4*) , Sterling Brown (4*), Ben Moore (3*), Yanick Moreira (3*)

2014 - no data given

2015 - National rank 40 - AAC rank 2 -- Shake Milton (4*), Sedrick Barefield (3*), Jarrey Foster (3*)

2016 - National rank 64 - AAC rank 3 -- Dashawn McDowell (3*), Harry Froling (3*), Tom Wilson (3*)

2017 - National rank 60 - AAC rank 3 -- William Douglas (3*), Ethan Chagois (3*), Elijah Landrum (3*), Everette Ray (3*)

2018 - National rank (as of now) 110 - AAC rank 7-- Feron Hunt (3*), Jahmar Young Jr (Unrated)

Im crossing my fingers that we can somehow get Anfernee Simons the 5 star 2018 recruit from IMG academy, took a prep year like Everette Ray, so he's considering going into the draft since he's eligible, Also considering NC State, Florida, Tennessee and Dayton. But if he doesn't choose us this will be the worst recruiting class since Larry took over. I totally understand we get a large contribution from transfers and theres nothing wrong with that, But id still feel better if we didn't have to rely on transfers to get us to the tourney. It is very disappointing that we failed to get Gerald Liddell, Who chose Texas over SMU. and Kaden Archie who chose are crosstown rival over us at the last second. Im hoping that we can land Tyrese Maxey and Tyreek Smith in the 2019 class. But im really not liking the direction the recruiting is going in. We need a splash commit desperately to get some momentum back in this program.

[MV pony]

What do you expect? Larry left the building. What's the draw?

[ponyboy101]

What do you expect? Larry left the building. What's the draw?

30-5, moody magic, play on ESPN, 2 players drafted last year. 3 seniors last year are now currently on NBA teams. That’s the draw.

[PonyLawExpress]

according to 247 sports are recruiting classes have gotten worse just about every single year since the 2013 class. check the national and AAC rankings below

2013 - national rank 23 - AAC rank 2 -- Keith Frazier (4*) , Sterling Brown (4*), Ben Moore (3*), Yanick Moreira (3*)

2014 - no data given

2015 - National rank 40 - AAC rank 2 -- Shake Milton (4*), Sedrick Barefield (3*), Jarrey Foster (3*)

2016 - National rank 64 - AAC rank 3 -- Dashawn McDowell (3*), Harry Froling (3*), Tom Wilson (3*)

2017 - National rank 60 - AAC rank 3 -- William Douglas (3*), Ethan Chagois (3*), Elijah Landrum (3*), Everette Ray (3*)

2018 - National rank (as of now) 110 - AAC rank 7-- Feron Hunt (3*), Jahmar Young Jr (Unrated)

Im crossing my fingers that we can somehow get Anfernee Simons the 5 star 2018 recruit from IMG academy, took a prep year like Everette Ray, so he's considering going into the draft since he's eligible, Also considering NC State, Florida, Tennessee and Dayton. But if he doesn't choose us this will be the worst recruiting class since Larry took over. I totally understand we get a large contribution from transfers and theres nothing wrong with that, But id still feel better if we didn't have to rely on transfers to get us to the tourney. It is very disappointing that we failed to get Gerald Liddell, Who chose Texas over SMU. and Kaden Archie who chose are crosstown rival over us at the last second. Im hoping that we can land Tyrese Maxey and Tyreek Smith in the 2019 class. But im really not liking the direction the recruiting is going in. We need a splash commit desperately to get some momentum back in this program.

Hunt was a 4* for a period (and still is on 247 rankings), but Rivals dropped him to a 3* lowered him in the 247 composite.

I don't mind relying on Transfers for our star power (LB did it too) we are built on top notch transfers. But we do need to stick to being top 3 in the AAC in recruiting most years and occasionally get a class like 2013 or 2015 to supplement.

2019 class is the crucial recruiting class for us. Jank needs to get us back into the top 2 of AAC and Top 40 Nationally to go with our transfers. I am with you we really need and Tyrese Maxey, Chris Harris, and Tyreek Smith. Would be a an AMAZING class.

[PonyTime]

This is what we need...

4-Star PF Blake Hinson Considering SMU and Reclassification to 2018

We offered about a week ago. Illinois just offered this week:

https://writingillini.com/2018/02/12/illinois-basketball-illini-offer-scholarship-forward-blake-hinson/

[Pony_Law]

LB made a big splash and inflated that first class and that helped land Shake's class. if you took KF out of the 2012 class it would come in around the 2016 and 2017 classes. The 2018 class is small because of our probation situation. Hoop has given the reason we ended up with Hunt rather than Archie. As far as battles sometimes you lose them plain and simple.

IMO there are 2 ways you build high-high quality basketball teams under the current landscape of college basketball. The first is to be top tier blue blood program and you consistently attract top top guys (Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, ect). These teams that are end up making deep runs usually are dominated by underclassmen with upperclassmen role players. The other method is you consistently attract players that are in the 50 to 250 range that you have confidence will grow into great college players by their junior and senior years and you supplement that base level of talent with the occasional top top guy you can grab or transfers (MSU, Villanova, Gonzaga ect). These types of teams that make deep runs usually are dominated by upper clansmen with a difference maker underclassmen or transfer. Both require great coaching. If you achieve long term success this way you can possibly jump into the other method. If you are going young, you got to get them to play high level team basketball immediately. If you are going the other way you have to be able to develop players and consistently make them much better between when They arrive and when they leave. SMU's natural place is to try and be like Gonzaga ect but it seems obvious that LB wanted to recruit like Kentucky. The problem he encounters is we are SMU not Kentucky and to land those type of top top guys LB couldn't get them with the World Wide Wes/Calipari/Pitino method and had to go with the sketchy player options (KF, Mudiay ect) and we all know where that got us. What saved us is LB was a heck of a coach and could coach up guys like BM, NM, SB ect and He could attract high level transfers (Kennedy, Semi, Tolbert, ect) and turn them into amazing players.

[SoCal_Pony]

Given all the momentum of our program, these last 2 classes have been huge disappointments IMO and the main reason we may have a sub .500 season and to skyscraper’s post, the main reason Jank loses his job.

Coach Doh’s last 2 recruiting classes at SMU:

2011 - Jalen, Cannen, Manuel class ranked #66
2012 - Blaise, Bernardi class ranked #55

[PonyLaw90]

The loss of scholarships is so punitive and the effects are clearly evident. No.1, we can't give what we don't have. There are less players on this team because we don't have the scholarships to give. No.2, the loss of scholarships means every player has to be able to contribute now (even if they're not ready). For example, someone like EL or Douglas would ride the pine this year, maybe get redshirted so they can develop. But without the depth, they're thrown in, warts and all. No.3, there's no room for mistakes. We struck out on Harry, Wilson and Barefield. Ideally, one or two of them would be on the team and contributing as sophomores. But they're not.

Then there's the thing Jank has been talking about in the press conference. The team can't even field a 5 on 5 scrimmage to practice man-to-man defense. Think about that? That's absurd. Right now, they can't even practice.

FRazier didn't pan out so that whole 4 star designation is nonsense. Remove that from LB's class and we have a bunch of 3 stars. We've been blessed that guys like Ben M, Nick M, Sterling, Semi, Ryan and others all came in and developed. Ben and Sterling were never asked to carry the team.

But we expect Ethan and the other freshman to step up. Ethan is ready, but for reasons detailed elsewhere, his body ran out of gas. He will be fine come next year.

See this year for what it is, not what it could have been.

[MV pony]

What do you expect? Larry left the building. What's the draw?

30-5, moody magic, play on ESPN, 2 players drafted last year. 3 seniors last year are now currently on NBA teams. That’s the draw.

I don't see it but time will tell.

[Stallion]

Basketball Recruiting team rankings are next to worthless for many reasons:

The size of the classes vary wildly-affecting the points awarded. Commonly some schools might sign 7 and another 3. The school signing 7 3 stars isn't necessarily better than the one signing 3 4 stars but may be rated ahead. Remember Doherty's "Top 15 Class"?

How do you judge a 5 star "One-and-Done" with a 3 star 4 year starter for a longer 4 year 'look-back" perspective? --See Ben Simmons also compare Keith Frazier type situation to Ben Moore/Sterling Brown

They don't account for transfers/graduate transfers which have built SMU's Basketball team. SMU got no "points' for Nic Moore, Kennedy. Tolbert, MacMurray, Ojeleye, Isiah Mike, Emelogu, Moreria etc

You could have an outstanding recruiting class without a single "point" in the recruiting rankings

[SoCal_Pony]

FRazier didn't pan out so that whole 4 star designation is nonsense.

It’s hardly an exact science but to call it ‘nonsense’ is complete BS.

Recent 4-Star+ players at SMU - Keith, Semi, Sterling Brown, Shake.

3 have / will have NBA careers. That’s a 75% success rate.

[SoCal_Pony]

I understand and agree with what you are saying Stallion regarding transfers.

I’m talking about HS kids we have signed over the past 2 years and comparing them to Doh’s classes.

Really don’t see much separation between the 2 which reflects poorly on Jank given of all the clear advantages he has.

[MV pony]

Our 3 nba players were all LB trained. How many celebs were in Moody at the start of the year?

[smupony94]

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Five-star junior Tyrese Maxey will begin an unofficial visit to Kentucky tomorrow

[PonyLawExpress]

I understand and agree with what you are saying Stallion regarding transfers.

I’m talking about HS kids we have signed over the past 2 years and comparing them to Doh’s classes.

Really don’t see much separation between the 2 which reflects poorly on Jank given of all the clear advantages he has.

I think the point is we got 0 points added to our 2015 recruiting class for bringing in Semi Ojeleye. We got 0 points added in 2016 class for bringing in Jimmy Whitt. Got 0 Points added in 2017 class for bringing in Isiaha Mike and Jahmal McMurray.

You can rank #66 in the Country in recruiting rankings, because you only have 2 commits and could have signed a Top 100 4-star and a 3-star you really like and then add an Isiaha Mike level as transfer. That could be a normal 3 person class and that would be a REALLY solid class, but you are ranked #66, because you only signed two freshman. Is that considered poor recruiting? No. You can't focus just on recruiting rankings. You can make it simple and say his recruiting numbers are too low, which I agree he needs to recruit at least a bit better, but you have to weigh the additions of guys who aren't mentioned in recruiting rankings.

Jank has a crucial next 8-10 months in front of him recruiting wise.