Re: We can't wait until March to fire Jank
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:26 amRe: We can't wait until March to fire Jank
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:20 amMustangsabu. Unfortunately you are correct in many ways.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:45 amMustangsabu wrote:The only thing SMU athletics does, and college athletics generally, is lose money. I would argue that the mentality that says the fan should be picking up the tab is the loser mentality. American college sports is, in my opinion, lost. I would take the old Moody any day over what we have now.
If you look carefully at what I’m saying you will realize that it contains a healthy dose of reality. I agree that if we hire a big name coach success is possible, I just think that it should be tempered be the concept that if you aren’t going dancing annually, or biannually the Dallas market is likely to get bored and get bored fast. Would SMU athletics ever make money? No chance.
You want my unfiltered loser mentality I would like to see college athletics completely redone so that academic standards mattered, there was no such thing as degree programs tailored for athletes, and so that teams actually represented the student body. I’d join the Ivy League in a heartbeat from that perspective even though it still has issues.
College sports is a business. It shouldn’t be and it’s ruined it. That said, I love my Ponies.
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Sorry Abu, I still disagree and I guess we can go down the path of agree to disagree.
LB from my recollection took us to the NIT then tourney then tourney again then would have taken us again but post season ban then LB fired and now we are here. LB was that coach that was going to take us there consistently not just a one-off or two-off. Dallas Market was infatuated with our program because of LB. There were celebrities there in a ton of games. People saw it as a place to be seen. After LB, the reseat and now Tank, we are forgetting what we had and it was the dream come true of operating a program in the black versus the red.
To your point except the Ivy League joining, I wished academics was the focal point and not getting athletes and setting them up with a fake degree just to keep the business going. I wish all sports had minor leagues that take out of high school kids so they have that route. That would help they paying players and all that fun stuff if you actually give them an avenue they want. My hope would be that football would on a much more even level playing field with all the 5 stars and some 4 stars going the minor track.
Anyways, to sum up, we had it. We had the golden goose and the admin choose to foie gras it.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:54 pmBe interesting to see how many jump on the Bandwagon next year.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:10 pmMustangsabu wrote:You want my unfiltered loser mentality I would like to see college athletics completely redone so that academic standards mattered, there was no such thing as degree programs tailored for athletes, and so that teams actually represented the student body. I’d join the Ivy League in a heartbeat from that perspective even though it still has issues.
College sports is a business. It shouldn’t be and it’s ruined it.
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Abu, that is not unfiltered loser mentality, it’s idealistic thinking that everyone knows hasn’t occurred for a very very long time. And yes, at some level it has tarnished these academic institutions.
I happen to agree with you that SMU FB is a money pit. I also think FB as a sport is trending down. It’s violent, masculine, expensive, played overwhelmingly by whites & blacks and supported overwhelmingly by whites in a country that is becoming more and more progressive, in debt, ethnically diverse and rightfully concerned about concussions. The game itself is also too long.
BB on the other hand is an international sport (every top tier school is recruiting these students) without the above mentioned dead weight. It also makes the NCAA over $1B every year during the 3-week tournament.
There is no school in this region (TX, OK, LA) that is a consistent force in BB. No reason it can’t be us, we check almost all the boxes.
This is hardly the time retreat. That is loser mentality.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:14 pmTwitter greatness!
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:34 pmSoCal_Pony wrote:Mustangsabu wrote:You want my unfiltered loser mentality I would like to see college athletics completely redone so that academic standards mattered, there was no such thing as degree programs tailored for athletes, and so that teams actually represented the student body. I’d join the Ivy League in a heartbeat from that perspective even though it still has issues.
College sports is a business. It shouldn’t be and it’s ruined it.
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Abu, that is not unfiltered loser mentality, it’s idealistic thinking that everyone knows hasn’t occurred for a very very long time. And yes, at some level it has tarnished these academic institutions.
I happen to agree with you that SMU FB is a money pit. I also think FB as a sport is trending down. It’s violent, masculine, expensive, played overwhelmingly by whites & blacks and supported overwhelmingly by whites in a country that is becoming more and more progressive, in debt, ethnically diverse and rightfully concerned about concussions. The game itself is also too long.
BB on the other hand is an international sport (every top tier school is recruiting these students) without the above mentioned dead weight. It also makes the NCAA over $1B every year during the 3-week tournament.
There is no school in this region (TX, OK, LA) that is a consistent force in BB. No reason it can’t be us, we check almost all the boxes.
This is hardly the time retreat. That is loser mentality.
"I happen to agree with you that SMU FB is a money pit. I also think FB as a sport is trending down. It’s violent, masculine, expensive, played overwhelmingly by whites & blacks and supported overwhelmingly by whites in a country that is becoming more and more progressive, in debt, ethnically diverse and rightfully concerned about concussions. The game itself is also too long. "
This is where SoCal and I depart ways. I'll leave it at that.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:55 pmPonySnob wrote:Twitter greatness!
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:18 pmI will say, I'm impressed with the creativity of some of the fan base with this mess we're in.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:19 pmGear up for another year of it.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:53 pmskyscraper wrote:I will say, I'm impressed with the creativity of some of the fan base with this mess we're in.
Obviously from the Arts School.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:35 pmSMU_Alum11 wrote:SoCal_Pony wrote:I happen to agree with you that SMU FB is a money pit. I also think FB as a sport is trending down. It’s violent, masculine, expensive, played overwhelmingly by whites & blacks and supported overwhelmingly by whites in a country that is becoming more and more progressive, in debt, ethnically diverse and rightfully concerned about concussions. The game itself is also too long.
This is where SoCal and I depart ways. I'll leave it at that.
‘11, I say this within the context of the state of California, where I happen to live.
Back when Mike Cavan was our HC, years ago but still not that far back....
California was ~$100B in debt. Today it is maybe $500B* and growing. *Some say the true pension liabilities alone surpass $1 trillion.
California public schools were approximately 40% white. Today they are 23% and declining, with the highest growing ethnic groups being Hispanic (approaching 60%) and Asian.
Today....
California has 12% of the US population but ~33% of its welfare recipients.
California has the highest poverty rate in America, greater than even Mississippi.
If you make $53k you pay state taxes at a rate of 9.3%
The Teachers’ union out here is large and powerful, also extremely liberal/progressive and most certainly anti-masculinity. The concussion issues related to FB are real (this explains in part the rapid rise in popularity with Lacrosse). Supporting FB to some is akin to supporting gladiator games, boxing or bull fights. It doesn’t help that conservative white males disproportionately support FB by overwhelming numbers.
You add that all up along with the reality that states cannot tax their way out of problems and you can see why I at least think FB is in decline.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:48 pmFB is in decline all over the country ( especially on the west coast) except Texas and the Southeast..... which explains why the CFP has 2 teams from the Southeast every year and the PAC 12 is so awful …
Look at attendance at the CFP championship game in Santa Clara, Cal.... cross country trip for the teams fans and very little local fan interest thus a 25% empty stadium for the biggest college game of the year.....
Look at attendance at the CFP championship game in Santa Clara, Cal.... cross country trip for the teams fans and very little local fan interest thus a 25% empty stadium for the biggest college game of the year.....
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:44 pmCollege football may be in the decline but it’s decline is about the same pace as global warming. I would think the earth dies from climate change before CFB ends but it will be close.