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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby SMU_Alum11 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:38 pm

I might be completely forgetting the situation but I swear I thought Hunt was committed or going to commit to TCU then Archie went to TCU over us and then Hunt decommited and went to us. I wouldn't necessarily call that Jank's recruiting. I call that an interesting situation. It would definitely support the idea that Hunt and Archie do not get along.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby PonyTime » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:04 pm

I'm sure Archie noticed from his position at the end of the bench that Hunt was on the floor 26 minutes and just missed a double double vs. TCU.

Archie logged 3 min of PT in that game.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:14 pm

PonyTime wrote:I'm sure Archie noticed from his position at the end of the bench that Hunt was on the floor 26 minutes and just missed a double double vs. TCU.

Archie logged 3 min of PT in that game.

To be fair it is a lot harder to get playing time on a good team.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby Rebel10 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:40 pm

SMU_Alum11 wrote:I might be completely forgetting the situation but I swear I thought Hunt was committed or going to commit to TCU then Archie went to TCU over us and then Hunt decommited and went to us. I wouldn't necessarily call that Jank's recruiting. I call that an interesting situation. It would definitely support the idea that Hunt and Archie do not get along.


That’s pretty much what happened.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby SoCal_Pony » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:40 pm

JasonB wrote:
SoCal_Pony wrote:I think our biggest wasted opportunity came when we lost to UCLA in the '15 tourney. We were flat, sluggish, game should never have came down to the bad goaltending call. More importantly, our next opponent was going to be UAB that had pulled an upset over #3 Iowa State.

We take care of business against the Bruins, then defeat #14 seed UAB, we are now a Sweet 16 team and get a full week of amazing publicity. We then face a Gonzaga team that was considered good but hardly elite.

Huge miss for our program.


I was really disappointed with both, especially being there in person. The kids were super nervous in both games.

Looking back on it, we were in an unfortunate situation. When your program misses the tourney 20 years in a row, it is much better to either get your feet wet against a smaller team or play as the underdog with a chip on your shoulder. I'll argue that SMU was in the worst situation in both cases - a higher seed against a blue blood program. That's a lot of pressure on a program that hasn't won on the big stage in 30 years. The seeding in both cases really hurt us.


We were unfortunate to draw a USC team as that was a very talented and I believe ranked Top 10 in some preseason polls the following season. Living here in SoCal, I knew that game was going to be difficult.

UCLA on the other hand was a different story IMO. We just choked, or in Jason's words, super nervous. Our program would have reached new heights had we gone Sweet 16. Who knows, maybe a major DP-like penalty as well.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby Stallion » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:40 pm

We also choked in the NIT against Minnesota blowing a 7 point lead in final 5 minutes-Larry Brown blew several big games but you only hear about Jank. From my perspective SMU improved throughout the year in 2016-17 and finished regular season 30-4 basically playing with 6 players, was positioned to go to the tournament in 2017-18 until our 2 best players were injured (and I really don't care what happened with the leftovers because there was no-way in hell that group could compete at a high level), and I'm seeing definite improvement this year as well. He's swung and has missed on some key recruits and that's got to change but he damn well deserves to see how this plays out without the unusually ugly backstabbers around this program -it has gotten way out of hand with these calls that he be fired midseason. He still has a nucleus of Chargois, Hunt and Mike with 2 1/2+ remaining years of eligibility and could still find the missing pieces with an expanded roster
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby sadderbudweiser » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:51 pm

Stallion wrote:We also choked in the NIT against Minnesota blowing a 7 point lead in final 5 minutes-Larry Brown blew several big games but you only hear about Jank. From my perspective SMU improved throughout the year in 2016-17 and finished regular season 30-4 basically playing with 6 players, was positioned to go to the tournament in 2017-18 until our 2 best players were injured (and I really don't care what happened with the leftovers because there was no-way in hell that group could compete at a high level), and I'm seeing definite improvement this year as well. He's swung and has missed on some key recruits and that's got to change but he damn well deserves to see how this plays out without the unusually ugly backstabbers around this program -it has gotten way out of hand with these calls that he be fired midseason. He still has a nucleus of Chargois, Hunt and Mike with 2 1/2+ remaining years of eligibility and could still find the missing pieces with an expanded roster


I swear that dude from Minnesota stepped out of bounds before he assisted on their last bucket.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:14 pm

Stallion wrote:We also choked in the NIT against Minnesota blowing a 7 point lead

Helped Minnesota having daddy coach for Baby Pitino down the stretch but still we had no business losing that game.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby SoCal_Pony » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:55 pm

Stallion wrote:He's swung and has missed on some key recruits and that's got to change but he damn well deserves to see how this plays out without the unusually ugly backstabbers around this program -it has gotten way out of hand with these calls that he be fired midseason. He still has a nucleus of Chargois, Hunt and Mike with 2 1/2+ remaining years of eligibility and could still find the missing pieces with an expanded roster


Well to me the verdict is out on Charg (good, but maybe not elite as some initially thought), Hunt (very optimistic) and Mike (decent role player), but I digress.

To say Jank has ‘swung and missed on some key recruits’ is IMO misrepresenting the situation. Coming off Pony Express type success, he’s signed 4 kids with an average National ranking of 376, with 2 others that weren’t even ranked, so the average ranked kid is maybe around 450. That’s almost half his roster. It’s akin the Bobby Collins signing 40 DITR no-names and defenders saying well....he’s swung and missed on key recruits. You of all people know better than that. You don’t replace swings and misses with 450th ranked players....completely unacceptable.

And for the record, I’m not calling for his firing mid-season (never say never), but I certainly don’t want him around next year.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby JasonB » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:12 am

Is the JUCO guard a quality player who will step in and start immediately?
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby sadderbudweiser » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:59 am

JasonB wrote:Is the JUCO guard a quality player who will step in and start immediately?


I'm pretty sure that is the expectation although the McMurray appeal might change that.


Here is how I see next year right now...with a ton of variables

Whitt (Cook?)

Bandoumel McBride White (McMurray?)

Mike (Douglas?)

Hunt Young (Ray?)

Chaggy (Jasey?)


That's 13 so technically we'd have room for all of them.

I count Cook, McMurray, Douglas and Ray all as question marks for the various reasons we all know.

Jasey isn't signed so I'll keep him as a question mark as well, although I think we are good there.

It's easy to see that we need another point guard from somewhere .

If by some stroke of luck we were to sign Kaden Archie then Douglas and/or Ray get shown the door.

So it's quite possible that we inherit 4 more schollies: McMurray, Douglas, Ray and Cook. Most like the eventual outcome sees us having at least two of those. Hopefully they are used on a quality point guard and Kaden Archie.

The prospect of Hunt, Archie, Mike and Young owning the 3-4 spots and Chaggy/Jasey owning the 5 is a nice little picture.

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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby The Falcon » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:32 pm

Our friends out in Lubbock think Kaden Archie is destined for Tech. I don't find any
confirming info. Anyone else have any info?

Does anyone know what the thorn is between Archie and Hunt?
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby ponyboy » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:40 pm

Stallion wrote:We also choked in the NIT against Minnesota blowing a 7 point lead in final 5 minutes-Larry Brown blew several big games but you only hear about Jank. From my perspective SMU improved throughout the year in 2016-17 and finished regular season 30-4 basically playing with 6 players, was positioned to go to the tournament in 2017-18 until our 2 best players were injured (and I really don't care what happened with the leftovers because there was no-way in hell that group could compete at a high level), and I'm seeing definite improvement this year as well. He's swung and has missed on some key recruits and that's got to change but he damn well deserves to see how this plays out without the unusually ugly backstabbers around this program -it has gotten way out of hand with these calls that he be fired midseason. He still has a nucleus of Chargois, Hunt and Mike with 2 1/2+ remaining years of eligibility and could still find the missing pieces with an expanded roster


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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby horsemanx » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:53 pm

The Falcon wrote:Does anyone know what the thorn is between Archie and Hunt?

Perhaps a love interest of some kind? Wouldn't surprise me at that age.
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Re: 18-12 regular season...

Postby Stallion » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 pm

I think it involved the perception at the time that they were recruited for the same position-really not the case as Hunt develops more of an inside game-although I'd love to see him play as a wing-he's devastating on the break
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