MBB v Oregon Game Thread

[JasonB]

And truth. Let’s put that behind us too.

Please let me know which of the 20+ election audits and investigations that have been conducted since the election have found significant fraud?

The people trying to convince you the election was stolen are just trying to undermine your belief in democracy, because they have zero evidence, and that has been absolutely PROVEN time and time again in every court of law in the country.

[ponyboy]

Putting words in caps doesn’t make them more truthful. There exist some pretty strong statistical analyses that let’s just say cast significant doubt on the degree to which this was a fair election. If you want to press, I’ll go find them. Left or Right, we are fed a lot of misinformation. It’s truly tough, these days perhaps more than ever before, to dig down and find what’s really going on. Everybody’s got an angle in this ultra-politicized digital world we live in.

[Charleston Pony]

I know it's hard for a lot of people to accept that over 80 million people disliked Trump but explain how so many Republican candidates fared so well "down ballot" in those places that were statistically skewed?

[ponyboy]

I don’t understand what you’re talking about when you say “down ballot.” But it’s easy to understand why someone wouldn’t like Trump.

[Charleston Pony]

I don’t understand what you’re talking about when you say “down ballot.” But it’s easy to understand why someone wouldn’t like Trump.

Nobody talked about "fraud" in my state of N.C. because Trump won but N.C. allowed mail in votes right up until the precincts closed and was among the last states to certify. Trump won by a much more narrow margin than he had in 2020 as the majority of mail in votes were for Biden, but Republicans otherwise did very well. With all the complaints of fraud, it's odd that more Dems didn't win here (and elsewhere). That was my point; that somehow the "fraud" only affected Trump.

[ponyboy]

Wait a minute, would not the down-ballot theory support the idea that there may have been fraud? Here’s General Michael Flynn on this conundrum:

In 2020, with Trump at the top of the ticket, Republicans knocked out 13 incumbent Democratic seats, while not losing a single Republican-held seat. Common sense suggests a Biden electoral landslide would have taken at least a single Republican seat with it.

[mustangxc]

No, the down ballot results show that many/most people in the USA agree with many Republican principles but realize what a disgusting person Trump is. In many cases people voted for Republicans to represent them in Congress and the Senate, but couldn't stomach to have such a vile person as president another 4 years. The proven cases of voter fraud have been shown to be committed by Trump supporters/Republicans and were insignificant.

[Charleston Pony]

No, the down ballot results show that many/most people in the USA agree with many Republican principles but realize what a disgusting person Trump is. In many cases people voted for Republicans to represent them in Congress and the Senate, but couldn't stomach to have such a vile person as president another 4 years. The proven cases of voter fraud have been shown to be committed by Trump supporters/Republicans and were insignificant.

I will confess that Mrs CP and I were two of those voters (never Trumpers). We did have to hold a special election after our Republican candidate for U.S. House dropped out when his campaign was cited for illegal ballot harvesting, but ultimately Dan Bishop (R) won the seat by a narrow margin

[redpony]

I doubt if there was much if any fraud at the election sites. IMO the real fraud was all of the ballot harvesting which is illegal (and very difficult to prove). I think this occurred in many states especially those like Ga.
I voted for Trump not because I was a pro trumper but because I did not want our country to turn into another cuba or venezuela with all of the marxist/socialist programs preferred by the other party.

[JasonB]

1) Down ballot voting can be looked at by one side as anti-trump, and by the other side as evidence for fraud. However, investigations have shown zero evidence for fraud. Zero. It was clearly an anti-trump statement. It is also consistent with history. Most independents in the country don't trust either party. That is why we end up most of the time where one party controls congress and the other controls the white house.

2) There was zero fraud with the election. More people voted in this election than ever before. That is supposed to be a GOOD thing for a democracy. Both parties are going to have to learn to appeal to a wider audience, and that is good for America because it pushes extremes to the sidelines. The Biden white house is fighting against it's own party because it is trying to stay closer to the middle, and that is good for America.

3) I am not comfortable with a lot of Democratic policies, but the marxist/socialist comparison is way off the mark. Big government, yes. But socialism is where the government literally runs sections of industry, and I am not aware of any democrat advocating for that. Even with government sponsored healthcare, the hospitals and doctors offices remain private entities. So while many might disagree with that policy, it certainly isn't quite socialist.

[Charleston Pony]

I agree that socially conscious capitalism is a far cry from true socialism but biased media likes to spin things that way to fearmonger as that appeals to their audience. I didn't like Trump because I'm a fiscal conservative and he was anything but, having sent an already troublesome national debt to new heights. I just don't like how extreme some within each party have become. Mrs CP and I are independents and I lean center right while she leans center left. I've never liked the games politicians play and have always felt the majority of politicians and CEOs fall into the same category and are not people I admire.

I'm really surprised the mods have not blown up this thread and just want to put that Oregon game behind us. I suppose it's O.K. to get off topic as long as we aren't attacking each other?

I just want our guys to light it up against Northwestern State and to start feeling good about themselves again. We have never lost to these guys so let's keep it that way.

[ponyboy]

I miss the days when Reagan and Tip O’Neill would have beers after work

Anybody going to the game tonight?

[redpony]

I miss the days when Reagan and Tip O’Neill would have beers after work

Also a lot of them would play cards together, eat together etc. Those days are sadly long gone and have been replaced with animosity and hatred.