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2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby skyscraper » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:54 pm

Looks like SMU was only ranked in the top Greek life list.
TCU and Baylor were on a bunch of rankings, some good and some not good.

Both SMU and TCU were listed on Lots of Greek Life – TCU No. 7 and SMU No. 8.

TCU was also No. 3 for Best College Dorms, No. 9 for Best-Run Colleges, No. 13 for College City Gets High Marks and No. 14 for Most Politically Active Students.

According to the rankings, Baylor is the opposite of a wild party school. It was ranked No. 9 for Scotch and Soda - Hold the Scotch, No. 12 for Stone-Cold Sober Schools and No. 14 for Don’t Inhale.

Baylor was also No. 7 for LGBTQ-Unfriendly, No. 10 for Future Rotarians and Daughters of the American Revolution and No. 10 for Most Religious Students.


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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby deucetz » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:27 pm

Biggest BS rankings. Worse than the myriad of Business School rankings you will find.

"We tallied the rankings lists in the current edition, The Best 382 Colleges (published August 2018), based on the data from our surveys of 137,000 students at the 382 schools in the book. Our student survey has 80 questions in four sections. We ask students about: 1) their school's academics/administration, 2) life at their college, 3) their fellow students and 4) themselves. Students answer by selecting one of five answer choices that range across a grid or scale. The answer choice headers might range from "Strongly Agree" to "Strongly Disagree" or "Excellent" to "Poor": some are percentages with ranges from "0–20%" to "81–100%." This answer choice five-point scale—which is called a Likert scale—is the most commonly used measurement for this type of survey research: a consensus-based assessment."

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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby skyscraper » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:03 pm

I don't really take them seriously, they're more entertaining.
I mean, this is how we get the annual "Party School" rankings. Which, BTW, congrats Tulane.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:27 pm

skyscraper wrote:I mean, this is how we get the annual "Party School" rankings. Which, BTW, congrats Tulane.

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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby gostangs » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:48 pm

so we have 100% brand new dorms - best in the state of Texas - and TCU gets best dorms?

also their greek system is not even half of ours. THey have those embarrassing little lodge thingys. Tragic for them. Until they get real houses (i.e. never) they will suck. Only UT and SMU have quality greek scenes.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby dickey1331 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:16 am

lol the coast guard academy was ranked #1 for saddest campus. These rankings are a joke


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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby PhantomPhi » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:40 pm

Obviously they suffer from SEV, Socialist Encephalitis Disease. Dissolves the spine, causes the inability to balance a check book, and diminishes the will in personal decision making to the extent that liberty is exchanged for economic entitlements.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby NavyCrimson » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:28 pm

Lol. Love it!!!
BRING BACK THE GLORY DAYS OF SMU FOOTBALL!!!

For some strange reason, one of the few universities that REFUSE to use their school colors: Harvard Crimson & Yale Blue.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby tristatecoog » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:59 am

Real rankings come out next Tuesday. Will SMU move ahead of UT? They're currently tied.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby Pony81 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:02 am

Tristate - do you think SMU moves ahead of UT? Where do you see us being ranked?
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby tristatecoog » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:35 pm

Pony81 wrote:Tristate - do you think SMU moves ahead of UT? Where do you see us being ranked?


LOL. It's a crap shoot but SMU and other TX privates and moving up and the publics all moved down last year. I believe SMU and UT are both rated #56 so if I had to guess, I'd say SMU moves up to #54 and UT falls to #57. US News has ties and a very small difference can make a difference of a few spots. SMU inexplicably dropped below 60 a couple years ago but had a nice rebound last fall. Nothing suggests that SMU's direction has changed course.

I believe Baylor and A&M were also tied. Look for separation there as well. A&M is adding more students and there's a reporting lag so the rape stuff at Baylor wouldn't impact next Tuesday's result.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby gostangs » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:52 pm

I think the differentiator is student quality. That is the area where SMU and UT have been separating. It's pretty hard to have to accept that many top ten percent kids, when their standardized tests are sometimes poor. That has hurt UT for several years in a row.

SMU has been going the opposite direction due to the cox scholars program.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby tristatecoog » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:24 pm

I believe that quite a few of those "bad" top 7-8% students don't even take or submit test scores. My niece, for example, was top 5% at an average public high school in TX and I never heard of her taking the SAT/ACT. She could've gone to Texas but didn't. Expensive and daunting.

https://admissions.utexas.edu/explore/freshman-profile
Texas Students Automatically Admitted: 1236
Texas Students Not Automatically Admitted: 1303
Texas Students Automatically Admitted: 28
Texas Students Not Automatically Admitted: 30

UT's got 54% female while SMU is 50/50. It's tougher to maintain a 50/50 balance. TCU is 60% female and Baylor is 58%.

Indeed, SMU's average test scores have been increasing, especially at Cox. I also find it interesting that SMU has a "Test Optional Policy for Dual Admit applicants in Music, Dance, Theatre, Art and Film-BFA." That may have helped out a bit. I think resources/student have also been better maintained at private universities than public ones.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby friarwolf » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:05 am

The avg ACT for this year's incoming class is 30.
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Re: 2017 Princeton Review rankings for SMU

Postby midwestpony » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:27 am

It is true about this most recent class entering in 2017 having an average act of a 30, their middle 50% act range is a 29-33, but they will use the entering 2016 data for this years rankings. Also i would recommend going to the us news site and looking at the methodology. Incoming student scores and such are honestly considered less than they should be. Still think SMU is on an upward trajectory but it is good to know how that take these rankings. I think the 2019 ranking we will break 50 as our retention for the class of 2020 was up a few percentage points and us news focuses more on those numbers. Here is the most recent methodology used:

Graduation and retention rates (22.5 percent): The higher the proportion of first-year students who return to campus for sophomore year and eventually graduate, the better a school is apt to be at offering the classes and services that students need to succeed.

This measure has two components: six-year graduation rate (80 percent of the score) and first-year retention rate (20 percent). The graduation rate indicates the average proportion of a graduating class earning a degree in six years or less; we consider first-year student classes that started from fall 2006 through fall 2009. First-year retention indicates the average proportion of first-year students who entered the school in the fall 2011 through fall 2014 and returned the following fall.

Undergraduate academic reputation (22.5 percent): The U.S. News ranking formula gives weight to the opinions of those in a position to judge a school's undergraduate academic excellence. The academic peer assessment survey allows top academics – presidents, provosts and deans of admissions – to account for intangibles at peer institutions, such as faculty dedication to teaching.

To get another set of important opinions on National Universities and National Liberal Arts Colleges, U.S. News also surveyed 2,200 counselors at public high schools, each of which was a gold, silver or bronze medal winner in a recent edition of the U.S. News Best High Schools rankings. The counselors surveyed represent every state and the District of Columbia.

Each academic and counselor surveyed was asked to rate schools' academic programs on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished). Those who didn't know enough about a school to evaluate it fairly were asked to mark "don't know."

The score used in the rankings is the average score of those who rated the school on the 5-point scale; "don't knows" are not counted as part of the average. To reduce the impact of strategic voting by respondents, U.S. News eliminated the two highest and two lowest scores each school received before calculating the average score.

The academic peer assessment score in this year's rankings is based on the results from surveys in spring 2015 and spring 2016.

Both the Regional Universities and Regional Colleges rankings rely on one assessment score, by the academic peer group, for this measure in the rankings formula. In the case of National Universities and National Liberal Arts Colleges, the academic peer assessment accounts for 15 percentage points of the weighting in the ranking methodology, and 7.5 percentage points go to the high school counselors' ratings.

The results from the three most recent years of counselor surveys, from spring 2014, spring 2015 and spring 2016, were averaged to compute the high school counselor reputation score. This was done to increase the number of ratings each college received from the high school counselors and to reduce the year-to-year volatility in the average counselor score.

Ipsos Public Affairs collected the data in spring 2016. Of the 4,635 academics who were sent questionnaires, 39 percent responded. This response rate is down very slightly from the 40 percent response rate in spring 2015 and the 42 percent response rate to the surveys conducted in spring 2014 and spring 2013.

The counselors' one-year response rate was 9 percent for the spring 2016 surveys, up slightly from 7 percent in spring 2015.

Faculty resources (20 percent): Research shows that the more satisfied students are about their contact with professors, the more they will learn and the more likely they are to graduate. U.S. News uses five factors from the 2015-2016 academic year to assess a school's commitment to instruction.

Class size is 40 percent of this measure. Schools receive the most credit in this index for their proportion of undergraduate classes with fewer than 20 students. Classes with 20-29 students score second highest; those with 30-39 students, third highest; and those with 40-49 students, fourth highest. Classes that have 50 or more students receive no credit.

Faculty salary (35 percent) is the average faculty pay, plus benefits, during the 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 academic years, adjusted for regional differences in the cost of living using indexes from the consulting firm Runzheimer International. U.S. News also weighs the proportion of professors with the highest degree in their fields (15 percent), the student-faculty ratio (5 percent) and the proportion of faculty who are full time (5 percent).

Student selectivity (12.5 percent): A school's academic atmosphere is determined in part by students' abilities and ambitions.

This measure has three components. U.S. News factors in the admissions test scores for all enrollees who took the critical reading and math portions of the SAT and the composite ACT score (65 percent of the selectivity score).

U.S. News also considers the proportion of enrolled first-year students at National Universities and National Liberal Arts Colleges who graduated in the top 10 percent of their high school classes or the proportion of enrolled first-year students at Regional Universities and Regional Colleges who graduated in the top quarter of their classes (25 percent).

The third component is the acceptance rate, or the ratio of students admitted to applicants (10 percent).

The data are all for the fall 2015 entering class. While the ranking calculation takes account of both the SAT and ACT scores of all entering students, the ranking tables on usnews.com display the score range for whichever test most students took.

U.S. News use footnotes online to indicate schools that did not report to U.S. News the fall 2015 SAT and ACT scores for all first-time, first-year, degree-seeking students for whom the schools had data. Schools sometimes fail to report SAT and ACT scores for students in these specific categories: athletes, international students, minority students, legacies, those admitted by special arrangement and those who started in summer 2015.

U.S. News also uses footnotes to indicate schools that declined to tell U.S. News whether all students with SAT and ACT test scores were represented.

For schools that did not report all scores or that declined to say whether all scores were reported, U.S. News reduced the value of their SAT and ACT scores in the Best Colleges ranking model by 15 percent. This practice is not new; since the 1997 rankings, U.S. News has discounted the value of such schools' reported scores in the ranking model, because the effect of leaving students out could be that lower scores are omitted.

If a school told U.S. News that it included all students with scores in its reported SAT and ACT scores, then those scores were counted fully in the rankings and were not footnoted.

If less than 75 percent of the fall 2015 entering class submitted SAT and ACT scores, their test scores were discounted by 15 percent in the ranking calculations. U.S. News also used this policy in the 2016 edition of the rankings.

Financial resources (10 percent): Generous per-student spending indicates that a college can offer a wide variety of programs and services. U.S. News measures financial resources by using the average spending per student on instruction, research, student services and related educational expenditures in the 2014 and 2015 fiscal years. Spending on sports, dorms and hospitals doesn't count.

Graduation rate performance (7.5 percent): This indicator of added value shows the effect of the college's programs and policies on the graduation rate of students after controlling for spending and student characteristics, such as test scores and the proportion receiving Pell Grants. U.S. News measures the difference between a school's six-year graduation rate for the class that entered in 2009 and the rate U.S. News had predicted for the class.

If the school's actual graduation rate for the 2009 entering class is higher than the rate U.S. News predicted for that same class, then the college is enhancing achievement, or overperforming. If a school's actual graduation rate is lower than the U.S. News prediction, then it is underperforming.

Alumni giving rate (5 percent): This reflects the average percentage of living alumni with bachelor's degrees who gave to their school during 2013-2014 and 2014-2015, which is an indirect measure of student satisfaction.

To arrive at a school's rank, U.S. News first calculated the weighted sum of its standardized scores. The final scores were rescaled so that the top school in each category received a value of 100, and the other schools' weighted scores were calculated as a proportion of that top score. Final scores were rounded to the nearest whole number and ranked in descending order. Schools that are tied appear in alphabetical order and are marked as tied on all ranking tables.

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