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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby Stallion » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:51 pm

"DFW is the only major metoplex to not have a top 20 or 30 university."

oh come on-on the top of my head Seattle, Orlando, Charlotte, San Antonio, Phoenix, Tampa and Denver to name a few-the major metropolitan areas you are talking about are mainly eastern/Midwest cities which are hundreds of years older than Dallas or SMU. Others like Michigan (50 miles from Detroit) and many of the California metros like San Diego are simply because those states have invested much more in the state universities than say Texas. California has 10 of the Top 50 (3 privates and 7 public schools). Texas has 2 with UT barely sliding in as the 2nd.
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby Mustangs_Maroons » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:49 pm

Stallion wrote:"DFW is the only major metoplex to not have a top 20 or 30 university."

oh come on-on the top of my head Seattle, Orlando, Charlotte, San Antonio, Phoenix, Tampa and Denver to name a few-the major metropolitan areas you are talking about are mainly eastern/Midwest cities which are hundreds of years older than Dallas or SMU. Others like Michigan (50 miles from Detroit) and many of the California metros like San Diego are simply because those states have invested much more in the state universities than say Texas. California has 10 of the Top 50 (3 privates and 7 public schools). Texas has 2 with UT barely sliding in as the 2nd.


SMU needs to and should do better. We are not leveraging our location. DFW is the only top 5 metropIolitan area without a top 25/30 university. We should be more comparable to Houston and Atlanta than to San Antonio or Orlando. As far as major metropolitan areas I was referring to the top 10 or 12, not every single metropolitan area as you seem to think. And in the top 10, only DFW and Miami don’t have a top 20/30 university. Seattle is the 15th metropolitan area, Charlotte, Orlando and San Antonio are 22, 23 and 24, not even relevant for a discussion when I was referring to only the top 20/30 universities to begin with.
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby SoCal_Pony » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:17 am

I think there is little debate that the most important metropolitan areas in America are, in no particular order,

NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, SF and LA.

Maybe, maybe Miami gets included, but only because as it is our gateway to the Caribbean.
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby AfricanMustang » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:16 am

SoCal_Pony wrote:I think there is little debate that the most important metropolitan areas in America are, in no particular order,

NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, SF and LA.

Maybe, maybe Miami gets included, but only because as it is our gateway to the Caribbean.


As one might expect, the group of states with the most Fortune 500 companies pretty well mirrors that of the general population, with California (54), New York (52) and Texas (52) completely dominating every other state. In fact, those three states house nearly one third of America’s top companies. Not only that, but the top 10 states have 64 percent of all Fortune 500 company headquarters. Most states have five or less Fortune 500 companies, and 12 states are completely left out in the cold with zero.

Texas has 3 AAU institutions – Rice, Texas A&M, and UT Austin.
California has nine – Caltech, Stanford, UC Berkeley, UC Davis, UC Irvine, UCLA, UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara, and USC.
New York has seven.

Since Texas has two-thirds of California’s population, one might say that Texas should have two-thirds as many AAU universities, or a total of 6 AAU universities in Texas (3 more than today)

Dallas-Fort Worth and Miami are the only Top 10 U.S. metropolitan areas without at least one AAU university, although Dallas benefits from a vibrant higher education landscape including University of North Texas, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, U of Dallas, Dallas Baptist University, Texas Christian University, Texas Woman's University and more, in addition to SMU.

Despite great success in growing jobs and attracting companies, it remains a laggard in some aspects of higher education.

Since the 1980s, local leaders have lamented that the area doesn’t have a Tier 1 research university, not by the most discriminating standard. But rival metros, including Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York, have several members of the Association of American Universities.Among the 20 finalist cities still competing for Amazon’s next headquarters, only D-FW and Miami don’t have an AAU member nearby. And the University of Miami spent $358 million on research in 2016, over three times more than UTD.

A recent Dallas Regional Chamber report on innovation cited a “scarcity of future-forward talent” and the fact that Dallas is one of the few major metros without an AAU member. To become a hub of innovation, the region must continue to develop and recruit talent, including “international serial entrepreneurs,” the report said. https://www.dallaschamber.org/wp-conten ... -March.pdf
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... search-gap

Across the country, regions are competing for top talent and big-name companies. The race to win Amazon's second headquarters, dubbed Amazon HQ2, has sparked soul-searching among civic leaders — especially in cities and states that didn't make the online retailer's top 20 list. (Dallas and Austin are the two Texas cities still in the running for HQ2.)

The study lists some of Dallas-Fort Worth's greatest strengths. It is home to 22 Fortune 500 companies and a broad base of businesses that cut across sectors. It has lots of wealth, including the wealth of 18 billionaires. And it has a vibrant restaurant, arts and culture scene and a generous philanthropic community.

But it also pointed out weaknesses, including education gaps. Dallas is one of few large cities without a university that's a member of the Association of American Universities, an organization of leading research universities.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/tec ... tech-world

An example of what a single university can mean to an economy is provided by MIT (Source: “MIT: The Impact of Innovation,” BankBoston, March 1997, available from http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/founders/). In 1994, Bank Boston estimated that MIT alumni founded more than 4,000 companies that employed 1.1 million people and that had annual gross
revenues of $232 B. To put this in perspective, in 2005 the entire DFW Metroplex (which produces one-third of the state’s economic output) had a gross domestic product of $285 B(source: “U.S. Metro Economies,” United States Conference of Mayors, 2006, available online at http://mayors.org/ metroeconomies/0107/GMPreport.pdf), which is approximately equal to the annual revenue from companies started by MIT alumni. In other words, one great, world-class university can have an economic impact approximately equal to one of America’s largest cities.

Tier One universities attract federal research funds and top talent. By population, Texas, with 23.5 million people, constitutes 8% of the U.S. population and is second only to California, with 36 million people (12% of the U.S. population). (Source: “2007 U.S. Population Data Sheet,” Population Reference Bureau, Washington, DC, www.prb.org.) Texas’ “fair share” of the nation’s resources, based on population proportion, is thus 8%. Federal Research and Development (R&D) Funds.

In 2004, the U.S. spent $99.1 B of Federal R&D funds, including $5.0 B (5% of the total) in Texas (source: National Science Foundation,www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf07323/, Table 82, page 193). If Texas had received just its proportional share based on population (8%), it would have received an additional $2.8 B per year. Texas lost out on $2.8 B in one year alone in attracting its fair share of Federal R&D funding. By contrast, California, with 12% of the U.S. population, 9 AAU universities, and 2 of the top 3 ranked public universities in the U.S. (Table 2), garnered 18.2% of the Federal R&D budget. California attracted $6 B per year of Federal R&D funding above its proportional population share, and $13 B more than Texas. Lack of major R&D infrastructure, which is impacted negatively by lack of more Tier One universities, is costing Texas billions of dollars each year in missed opportunities to attract R&D funding.

https://senate.texas.gov/cmtes/80/c535/ ... Report.pdf
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby Mustangs_Maroons » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:38 pm

SoCal_Pony wrote:I think there is little debate that the most important metropolitan areas in America are, in no particular order,

NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, SF and LA.

Maybe, maybe Miami gets included, but only because as it is our gateway to the Caribbean.


Correct. NYC has Columbia and NYU on the cusp there. Boston has Harvard and MIT, with others near contention on that top 30 cusp such as Tufts, DC has a top 20/25 university in Georgetown, Houston similarly has Rice in that top 20/25 discussion, Chicago has University of Chicago and Northwestern, SF has Stanford and Berkeley and LA has top 30 universities UCLA and USC. Most of these are private except for two public schools in California. We are the only top private university in north texas and we simply have not moved forward. I'm not saying we should be top 10, but we should be solidly in the top 30-35 conversation, with aspirations of moving to levels such as Tufts, Georgetown, Rice, and comparable to public universities such as Virginia, UCLA and Michigan. We simply are not, and it starts with the leadership.

Turner should have stepped down over a decade ago. Now he has his own support system at the board of trustees ensuring he never has accountability for moving SMU into a different tier of academic schools. For Turner, it's stay the course and stay within the 55 / 65 ranks, as long as we build enough fountains.
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby AfricanMustang » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:42 pm

Mustangs_Maroons wrote:
SoCal_Pony wrote:I think there is little debate that the most important metropolitan areas in America are, in no particular order,

NYC, Boston, DC, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, SF and LA.

Maybe, maybe Miami gets included, but only because as it is our gateway to the Caribbean.


Correct. NYC has Columbia and NYU on the cusp there. Boston has Harvard and MIT, with others near contention on that top 30 cusp such as Tufts, DC has a top 20/25 university in Georgetown, Houston similarly has Rice in that top 20/25 discussion, Chicago has University of Chicago and Northwestern, SF has Stanford and Berkeley and LA has top 30 universities UCLA and USC. Most of these are private except for two public schools in California. We are the only top private university in north texas and we simply have not moved forward. I'm not saying we should be top 10, but we should be solidly in the top 30-35 conversation, with aspirations of moving to levels such as Tufts, Georgetown, Rice, and comparable to public universities such as Virginia, UCLA and Michigan. We simply are not, and it starts with the leadership.

Turner should have stepped down over a decade ago. Now he has his own support system at the board of trustees ensuring he never has accountability for moving SMU into a different tier of academic schools. For Turner, it's stay the course and stay within the 55 / 65 ranks, as long as we build enough fountains.


22% of the ranking criteria is based on graduation and retention rates. SMU continues to do very poorly and lags behind both cohort and aspirational peers. This is the driving force behind requiring first and second year’s to live on campus and the building of the residential commons, so as to increase the graduation and retention rates.

20% of the ranking criteria is also concerned with faculty resources (class size, faculty compensation, and percent of faculty with terminal degree in field)

Another 20% is undergraduate academic reputation (Peer assessment survey and high school counselors). Lucky for SMU, it improved tremendously this year. SMU saw key improvements in the peer assessment score, which is the rating of academic reputation by college admission deans, provosts and presidents, and in the high school counselor assessment score. In addition, SMU ranked 31 for best national universities for veterans, tied with the University of Washington.
https://www.smu.edu/News/2018/SMU-Ranke ... leges-2019

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-c ... nd-weights
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby Stallion » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:53 pm

The schools listed above were founded:

Columbia 1754
NYU 1831
Harvard 1636
MIT 1861
Tufts: 1852
Georgetown 1789
Rice 1912
University of Chicago 1890
UCLA 1919
USC 1880
Virginia 1788
Michigan 1837

SMU 1911--and you might want to take off 2 decades from just the academic damage done to the university's reputation due to the Death Penalty and the role SMU's President and Board of Governors played in it

SMU is among the youngest universities in the Top 60 especially if you take out the well funded California system schools. Rice of course had about a half-Century advantage over all other Texas schools because of its unprecedented endowment at its foundation that was tuition free
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby deucetz » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:05 pm

Rice understands the implications of ranking and is taking proactive steps to improve.

Rice University announces free tuition for middle income undergraduate students

The new financial plan, The Rice Investment, will allow full-tuition scholarships and grants to be offered to undergraduate students whose family incomes fall between $65,000 and $130,000 a year and who qualify for need-based financial aid, according to a news release issued Tuesday by the university.

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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby Stallion » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:20 pm

Rice also was as high as 9th and was Top 10 on several occasions in the 1980s and now is pretty stagnant at No. 17 near its all-time low of No. 18. Their 5.324 billion endowment also dwarfs SMU's endowment
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby NavyCrimson » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:46 pm

I would be willing to bet that if SMU started a new campaign for ONLY scholarships & paying off the debt, they would raise more $$$ than they ever thought they would - probably in half the time of the previous campaign, too.

But will they? Doubt it!
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby tristatecoog » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:24 pm

NavyCrimson wrote:I would be willing to bet that if SMU started a new campaign for ONLY scholarships & paying off the debt, they would raise more $$$ than they ever thought they would - probably in half the time of the previous campaign, too.

But will they? Doubt it!


Don't scholarships cover a good bit of any campaign? Is that component fully subscribed in the recent SMU campaigns? A program like Rice's would go a LONG way to dispel the unaffordability tag that SMU seems to carry.

I don't think Rice has ever been top 10. Here's the 1988 ranking:

National universities
(1)Stanford
(2)Harvard
(3)Yale
(4)Princeton
(5)UC Berkeley
(6)Dartmouth
(7)Duke
(8)U Chicago
(8)U Michigan
(10)Brown
(11)Cornell
(11)MIT
(11)UNC Chapel Hill
(14)Rice
(15)UVA
(16)Johns Hopkins
(17)Northwestern
(18)Columbia
(19)U Penn
(20)U Illinois
(21)Caltech
(22)William and Mary
(23)U Wisconsin
(23)Washington U St Louis
(25)Emory
(25)U Texas -- #49 now
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby Stallion » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:43 pm

"With a quarter of a tank of gas, we can get everything we need right here in DFW." -SMU Head Coach Chad Morris

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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby tristatecoog » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:22 am

Sure enough. About the time they were #1 in Money mags best value.

Penn, Wash U, Northwestern, Brown and Johns Hopkins all moved ahead. Ivy prestige and medicine related?
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:34 am

It would have been a good idea to start a new campaign before football season so we could have put the fundraising campaign logo on the field.
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Re: US News rankings come out Sept 10

Postby deucetz » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:56 am

DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:It would have been a good idea to start a new campaign before football season so we could have put the fundraising campaign logo on the field.


SMU will give management consultants about 3 years to make another fund raising assessment before we do another fundraiser.
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