ponyboy wrote:JasonB wrote:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... arios.htmlThat is where I get the IFR for Covid. It is the right source to use for calculating IFR if you care going to compare it with the 0.1 number, because they use similar mechanisms for calculating the people who don't get tested for Flu. It is apples to apples.
Jason, as I called out in the Around the Hilltop thread, the .5 to .65 IFR for COVID-19 is not an accurate number of what's happening in Texas. International data is highly suspect and these figures should not be thrown around as if they mean anything.
Look, I can understand your tendency to want to rely on "official CDC figures" rather than some schmo with Excel. But do the math yourself -- it's not rocket science. The only plug variable is the rate of those who catch corona and don't get an official test. I go with the CDC number on that: 10 untested for every 1 confirmed test.
All this tends to make one feel ok about a .24% IFR in Texas right now, especially when the CDC themselves (back in late May) estimated nationwide IFR at .26% These are not numbers that I'm pulling out of my rear end.
As scientists learn more, the CDC changes their model. That is why they are at a much higher IFR now.
Just think about it... with all of the people staying home, not traveling, not going to work, wearing masks, etc... How many infections are we at with Covid compared to a traditional flu season? Nationally, we are at a much, much smaller number of infections than a standard flu season. But yet we are already double the deaths of a bad flu season nationally. Just from that point, you have to realize that the IFR is significantly higher.
Even in Texas, the number of infections we have is way, way, way lower than we typically have in a flu season. There isn't a magical formula in Texas. The fact that other respiratory diseases have a strong impact on Texas should be a forewarning.
We are still two weeks away from hitting our peak deaths per day from Covid in Texas. If you look at the hospitalization numbers, they are holding steady. Which is good except when you realize that on average 100+ are leaving the hospital by dying every day.
The new case numbers have dropped, which is great, it means the changes July 2 are taking effect. Hopefully it means in two weeks that we will see the hospitalization number drop, and then a couple weeks later the deaths per day will start to drop. But even if we get lucky and only average 100 deaths per day for the next 30 days, that is 3K more deaths to add to that total. And the total number of Covid cases is still way, way under the number of flu cases in a flu season.
And I get that right now you can say NYC outweighs everything. But just wait a month. With the case numbers and hospitalizations in Texas, California, and Florida, all of those death numbers are going to change. The fact is that we are back to over 1000 people nationally, per day, dying from this thing. So there is no more NYC aberration. And there is still only a very small percentage of people nationally who have caught it.
I understand the bit about media trying to strike fear into people. But I think it is also important to recognize that certain voices have been wrong about this thing literally every step along the way. We need to keep infections in check until the medicine catches up.
Don't discount the mortality rate, because you are looking at 50K Texans dying before the end of the year if you have a significant number of Texans getting sick before the treatments are available.