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Postby malonish » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:03 pm

Since this was brought up prior, figure folks might want to get a pretty high level update on the latest info available.

TL;DW - T Cell Immunity doesn't mean you're immune from infection etc. Tamp down those expectations and keep your masks handy. Hank is much better than me though. Enjoy.

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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby JasonB » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:47 am

Doesn't help with immunity. Could potentially help with the severity. But it isn't a reason why the "herd immunity" rate would lower.

On a side note, new study in peer review is showing that wearing mask not only limits exposure, but when even when you do get infected, it reduces the amount of virus taken into the body limits the severity of the virus.

In short, there is a correlation between the amount of mask wearing and lower death rates/severe infection rates. They are trying to prove some level of causation.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby ponyboy » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:18 am

I think it's clear that mask wearing slows the progress of the disease. Whether it's ultimately preventable, that's another question entirely.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby mr. pony » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:10 pm

malonish wrote:Since this was brought up prior, figure folks might want to get a pretty high level update on the latest info available.

TL;DW - T Cell Immunity doesn't mean you're immune from infection etc. Tamp down those expectations and keep your masks handy. Hank is much better than me though. Enjoy.



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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby malonish » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:59 pm

mr. pony wrote:Yeah, when I need medical advice on a brand new virus I come straight to ponyfans!
Thanks, Dr. malonish.


And when I need covid denialism I'll hit you up.

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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby ponyte » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:40 pm

JasonB wrote:Doesn't help with immunity. Could potentially help with the severity. But it isn't a reason why the "herd immunity" rate would lower.

On a side note, new study in peer review is showing that wearing mask not only limits exposure, but when even when you do get infected, it reduces the amount of virus taken into the body limits the severity of the virus.

In short, there is a correlation between the amount of mask wearing and lower death rates/severe infection rates. They are trying to prove some level of causation.


One assumes the reference is to the PNAS published study. Here is the link to the study so one can read it for oneself.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32527856/

And here is a rebuttal outlining what a pile of steaming manure the study is and why it's a steaming pile of manure
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/identif ... -covid-19/

This letter to the editor of PNAS has some highlights why the 'study' has flaws which might be of interest.
https://metrics.stanford.edu/sites/g/fi ... 820_v3.pdf

And I'm sure the usually person attacks about how I'm ignorant, a denier, some (fill in the blank)ist.

Call me all the names you want. Name calling is the only consistent thing left on this board.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby mrydel » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:25 pm

I will call you Doctor, Ponyte.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby malonish » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:28 pm

ponyte wrote:

And I'm sure the usually person attacks about how I'm ignorant, a denier, some (fill in the blank)ist.

Call me all the names you want. Name calling is the only consistent thing left on this board.


You are such a fill in the blank-ist (for providing some good reads to fill in the blanks. Thanks!)
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby Arkpony » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:17 pm

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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby East Coast Mustang » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:30 am

15 days to flatten the curve

We’re going to run out of ventilators

The hospitals are going to be overwhelmed
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby malonish » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:46 am

East Coast Mustang wrote:15 days to flatten the curve

We’re going to run out of ventilators

The hospitals are going to be overwhelmed


What ever happened to the guy in your pfp? Haven't seen him in a while.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby East Coast Mustang » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:53 am

malonish wrote:
East Coast Mustang wrote:15 days to flatten the curve

We’re going to run out of ventilators

The hospitals are going to be overwhelmed


What ever happened to the guy in your pfp? Haven't seen him in a while.

He died from COVID. He was 74 and had lived a long, full life. We cant shut down our economy and society indefinitely just because some people want to influence the election. My recitation of statements above indicate that the “experts” have no clue what’s going on. I mean this seriously, this whole Covid charade has been a damning indictment of the legitimacy of the scientific community.

What if we never find a vaccine (we’ve been trying to find one for HIV for what, 35 years?), or what if a vaccine isn’t particularly effective? Are we going to wear masks for the next 50 years? I’m too pretty for that.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby JasonB » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:11 am

ponyte wrote:
JasonB wrote:Doesn't help with immunity. Could potentially help with the severity. But it isn't a reason why the "herd immunity" rate would lower.

On a side note, new study in peer review is showing that wearing mask not only limits exposure, but when even when you do get infected, it reduces the amount of virus taken into the body limits the severity of the virus.

In short, there is a correlation between the amount of mask wearing and lower death rates/severe infection rates. They are trying to prove some level of causation.


One assumes the reference is to the PNAS published study. Here is the link to the study so one can read it for oneself.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32527856/

And here is a rebuttal outlining what a pile of steaming manure the study is and why it's a steaming pile of manure
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/identif ... -covid-19/

This letter to the editor of PNAS has some highlights why the 'study' has flaws which might be of interest.
https://metrics.stanford.edu/sites/g/fi ... 820_v3.pdf

And I'm sure the usually person attacks about how I'm ignorant, a denier, some (fill in the blank)ist.

Call me all the names you want. Name calling is the only consistent thing left on this board.


No, this:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavi ... -use-study

The link to the study is in the article, but I thought it would be amusing to post a fox news article based on the response above.

It is very new, no peer review yet, so I don't think any contradictory studies have been illustrated. Again, there is a correlation, the question is whether there is causation.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby malonish » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:05 pm

East Coast Mustang wrote:
malonish wrote:
East Coast Mustang wrote:15 days to flatten the curve

We’re going to run out of ventilators

The hospitals are going to be overwhelmed


What ever happened to the guy in your pfp? Haven't seen him in a while.

He died from COVID.


Oh yeah. He went to a large gathering where there were no masks. That was it. Thanks for jogging my memory. Hopefully the loss of potential future life with his family is offset by the knowledge that he ain't no sheeple. Definitely weighted higher on the Util scale than having him around for longer.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby East Coast Mustang » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:19 pm

malonish wrote:Oh yeah. He went to a large gathering where there were no masks. That was it. Thanks for jogging my memory. Hopefully the loss of potential future life with his family is offset by the knowledge that he ain't no sheeple. Definitely weighted higher on the Util scale than having him around for longer.

Tonight I’m going to enjoy a succulent steak dinner at Al Biernat’s. I encourage you to get out and live your life, too. Fearmongering on an internet message board about a virus with a, what, 99.9% survival rate for people under 65 without preexisting conditions is no way to live.
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