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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby ponyte » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:59 pm

JasonB wrote:
ponyte wrote:
JasonB wrote:Doesn't help with immunity. Could potentially help with the severity. But it isn't a reason why the "herd immunity" rate would lower.

On a side note, new study in peer review is showing that wearing mask not only limits exposure, but when even when you do get infected, it reduces the amount of virus taken into the body limits the severity of the virus.

In short, there is a correlation between the amount of mask wearing and lower death rates/severe infection rates. They are trying to prove some level of causation.


One assumes the reference is to the PNAS published study. Here is the link to the study so one can read it for oneself.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32527856/

And here is a rebuttal outlining what a pile of steaming manure the study is and why it's a steaming pile of manure
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/identif ... -covid-19/

This letter to the editor of PNAS has some highlights why the 'study' has flaws which might be of interest.
https://metrics.stanford.edu/sites/g/fi ... 820_v3.pdf

And I'm sure the usually person attacks about how I'm ignorant, a denier, some (fill in the blank)ist.

Call me all the names you want. Name calling is the only consistent thing left on this board.


No, this:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavi ... -use-study

The link to the study is in the article, but I thought it would be amusing to post a fox news article based on the response above.

It is very new, no peer review yet, so I don't think any contradictory studies have been illustrated. Again, there is a correlation, the question is whether there is causation.


Read it. Note the first words in the upper right corner of the article is "perspective'. Its not a study, its an opinion piece. No methodology, no data, no conclusion. This is just opinion. Some wold consider it an interesting theory with no scientific method to support it. There is no peer review cause one doesn't peer review opinion.

The real question is how much faith does one put in opinion without facts? One use to call trust in opinion without facts superstition. What dose one call superstition now?
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby Insane_Pony_Posse » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:40 pm

East Coast Mustang wrote:The hospitals are going to be overwhelmed


Parkland just shut down their Covid unit.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby ALEX LIFESON » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:05 am

Has anyone ever seen Jason B and Sam Blum in the same room?
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby peruna81 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:50 am

"The real question is how much faith does one put in opinion without facts? One use to call trust in opinion without facts superstition. What dose one call superstition now?"
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby malonish » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:25 am

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malonish wrote:Oh yeah. He went to a large gathering where there were no masks. That was it. Thanks for jogging my memory. Hopefully the loss of potential future life with his family is offset by the knowledge that he ain't no sheeple. Definitely weighted higher on the Util scale than having him around for longer.

Tonight I’m going to enjoy a succulent steak dinner at Al Biernat’s. I encourage you to get out and live your life, too. Fearmongering on an internet message board about a virus with a, what, 99.9% survival rate for people under 65 without preexisting conditions is no way to live.


You assume I've just been home doing heck all but I've been going to work at my essential job every day, shopping for groceries, and exercising. I'm doing a high % of my old life activities with a specific change to my wardrobe.

Mask off to eat, mask on when you arrive and leave. Don't pull a Herman. Also bonus points for being the first post in a while to earn the embed of all the other effects that aren't death **that we know about so far** so congrats to you steakman.

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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby EastStang » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:01 pm

I heard a Chinese virologist on the news last night, say it was a lab developed virus and that it was intentionally released by the Chinese government. That may explain why its hitting multiple systems at once. But Fauci disagrees. But I'm not a scientist or a doctor. Believe the science and pick whichever scientist's theory fits your world view.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby Vitale » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:49 pm

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malonish wrote:Since this was brought up prior, figure folks might want to get a pretty high level update on the latest info available.

TL;DW - T Cell Immunity doesn't mean you're immune from infection etc. Tamp down those expectations and keep your masks handy. Hank is much better than me though. Enjoy.



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What the hell? It's a topic that affects us because it obviously affects sports, including SMU football. Malonish was sharing a report that some might find helpful. Nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby Insane_Pony_Posse » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:47 pm

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So when do these bull-sheet doom and gloom figures materialize?

Over 3 Million dead in the United States?

US Population over 331 Million
As of today...Covid Deaths 200K (maybe)

Texas Population Very close to 30 Million:
Texas Covid Deaths: Less than 15,000
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby malonish » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:57 pm

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:Image

So when do these bull-sheet doom and gloom figures materialize?

Over 3 Million dead in the United States?

US Population over 331 Million
As of today...Covid Deaths 200K (maybe)

Texas Population Very close to 30 Million:
Texas Covid Deaths: Less than 15,000


If literally everyone was infected and a conservative number of 1% died, 3 million is the resulting number. It would be higher or lower by a couple hundo K of course. Now for your TX example, you're telling me that all 30 million have been infected? I think those bull-sheets are 3 to the wind if that's your case. Please reread the material and come back to me.

P.S. please clarify what you mean by "Deaths 200K (maybe)"
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby Insane_Pony_Posse » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:23 pm

malonish wrote:Now for your TX example, you're telling me that all 30 million have been infected? I think those bull-sheets are 3 to the wind if that's your case. Please reread the material and come back to me.

As of today there are close to 30 million people in Texas
As of today there have been about 15,000 deaths in Texas
Parkland shut down their COVID unit because of lack of patients.
Many with COVID are asymptomatic...in other words many had it and never knew it.
Death rates in large swaths of the Texas population are extremely minuscule.
So where are all your bull-sheet doom & gloom numbers going to come from?


malonish wrote:P.S. please clarify what you mean by "Deaths 200K (maybe)"


The "maybe" comes from the pretty regular new reports of data errors all over the country and in government....data errors on both sides....numbers during the coronavirus pandemic are and can be skewed....not fully accurate....none of this is "gospel"....thus the "maybe".

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus ... s/2417282/

https://nbc25news.com/news/coronavirus/ ... otal-error

"Nursing homes and at least one state health department have contested the federal information. In one Las Vegas nursing home, for example, the CMS-posted data indicated that 54 residents had died, when a state spokeswoman said the actual number was three, the Las Vegas Journal-Review reported. In Indiana, 75 deaths reportedly were incorrectly listed for a nursing home with 75 residents and no COVID-19 cases"
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest- ... sing-homes

https://www.newsbreak.com/washington/se ... death-toll

the data errors go on and on and on and on and on

BTW:
A very close friend in his 60's just came own with COVID about 3 weeks ago
I immediately got him in touch with a local HCQ doctor
Once on HCQ/Zpak/Zinc his temps dropped, very slight cough, & no other symptoms.
Peer review - No peer review...blah blah...He is back at work this week.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby Dukie » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:53 pm

ponyte wrote:And I'm sure the usually person attacks about how I'm ignorant, a denier, some (fill in the blank)ist.

Call me all the names you want. Name calling is the only consistent thing left on this board.


Who called you names, and what names did they call you? Such an effing victim.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby ponyte » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:19 pm

Dukie wrote:
ponyte wrote:And I'm sure the usually person attacks about how I'm ignorant, a denier, some (fill in the blank)ist.

Call me all the names you want. Name calling is the only consistent thing left on this board.


Who called you names, and what names did they call you? Such an effing victim.


Right on cue, the usual name calling begins! And from the one most expected to hurl names first. Thank you for confirming the most consistent subject on this board is name calling.
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby Arkpony » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:48 pm

That's interesting! Who called you names..you victim! LOL
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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby East Coast Mustang » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:50 pm

We have to listen to the experts...

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Re: Info on T Cell / COVID business

Postby East Coast Mustang » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:52 pm

Ignore opinions, listen to the medical experts!

“Fauci says he doesn't regret telling Americans not to wear masks at the beginning of the pandemic”
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