tiki Players with P5 Offers

[Rebel10]

No, you made a statement without any facts to back it up.

Cool bro. You win.

Not about winning an argument. I just hope everyone is patient with the rebuilding process. I know we both want the best for the team.

[SoCal_Pony]

Usually if a player gets a P5 offer he's going to the P5 school about 99% of the time. If he doesn't it's because they either rescinded that offer or he never got one at all.

Better let CM know he's about to lose 2/3rds of this class.

[footballdad]

We get it. You don't like JJ. But this post is dumb. Usually if a player gets a P5 offer he's going to the P5 school about 99% of the time. If he doesn't it's because they either rescinded that offer or he never got one at all.

That is not true and your post is really dumb. TCU majored in beating out BCS bottom feeders and did well in a non BCS conference. This is more JJ suck up propaganda. You don't have anything to back what you say up and are just throwing it up against the wall hoping it sticks. And in the first year of a new coach that took over a team where over half the players did not even have an FBS offer let alone a P5 offer, so yes, it is a valid reason. SoCal_Pony made a very good post.

You seem to think just because someone disagrees with your post it's JJ propaganda. I never sided with JJ. I just pointed out that I don't remember any of his classes being last in the conference. You seem to go out of your way to include JJ in all of your post so you're the only one who's focused on him. I'm focused on the now and we are not getting better. You repeat yourself enough, We all know you think our talent sucks and blame JJ. It doesn't mean it's right or wrong. Your opinion. Mine is different.

You won't get a calm debate about why the team seems to actually be getting worse, because that might include some criticism of the current staff, instead of the more convenient JJ excuse.

The JJ talk dissipated when we were surprisingly competitive early, but now that the wheels have fallen off and we're going backwards, it's all JJ all the time.

Get used to it Cowboy.

[JasonB]

1) Embrace being called a JJ supporter for an even handed post. "You're either with us or you're against us" worked so well for Bush that it has been adopted as the mantra for the entire interwebs.

2) While I do think there are improvements that could be made in the coaching, performing worse as the season goes along isn't necessarily an indictment. It can also be a sign of lack of quality depth. Also, as the season goes along, other teams adjust to what you do, but lack of talent constrains how much you can adjust.

3) I think the statement that people who have P5 offers and go to a smaller school got those offered pulled is extreme. It happens in some cases, but not for many others. Even if the offer was eventually pulled, the fact that it was even extended to begin with is a sign that someone thought there was talent there. I'll take a 3 star who was offered by Alabama who go their offer pulled because a 5 star committed any day of the week.

4) The offer indications as a whole can be a little misleading. If they got them from the school it is one thing. If the offer list is provided by the player, it is another. Especially if it isn't verified. I'm not sure the services spend a lot of time verifying that the offers are real? Anyway, we all know June couldn't stand the people from the recruiting services, and probably encouraged the players not to talk to the recruiting services after Klemm and JR left. There is a reason why the list of schools Ponyfans said offered players was different from what was reported by the recruiting services. I bet you see that list match much more closely with the new staff.

5) I would guess the list of P5 schools is more accurate than the list of G5 schools. If a P5 offers me, I am going to brag about it. If a G5 offers me that I consider worse than the school I chose, I probably don't care to mention it. If I were to do an analysis, I would probably put offers in 3 categories: major P5, minor P5, and Upper tier G5 (Houston, BYU, Boise). I would throw out the rest. I think it is important to separate P5 offers because getting an offer from Florida or Texas is a lot different from getting an offer from Kansas. And then you really need to compare us to other schools in conference to get a good understanding of where things sit (to understand what "good" is). I wish that offers rating site went back further and used Scout instead of Rivals/ESPN.

[footballdad]

"Also, as the season goes along, other teams adjust to what you do, but lack of talent constrains how much you can adjust."

[Rebel10]

4) The offer indications as a whole can be a little misleading. If they got them from the school it is one thing. If the offer list is provided by the player, it is another. Especially if it isn't verified.

The high schools coaches also know the offers usually. Also, generally if a player has an offer from Iowa State I don't think anyone (neither the services or PP) is going to call Iowa State because it is against the NCAA regulations for Iowa State to give that information out. The services probably talk to the recruit and their high school coach as well as the people from the site of the other school that offered. Also, the university lists the offers on the school website after signing day and I don't think the school would lie.

[Stallion]

Most of SMU commitments this year from kids with P5 offers committed 6-8 MONTHS before signing date-which is entirely different than a kid with a stale offer scrambling at the last minute for a landing spot. In fact, several of our COMMITMENTs have been slowly ADDING P5 offers even after committing to SMU. Your logic does not apply to them. Some of you just can't seem to deal with the fact that Morris will sign a class that has 3x more offers than recent Jones Jones classes and 65.2% of which had P5 offers.

[RGV Pony]

Recent or all combined

[Stallion]

This class easily has more offers (169 and counting) than ANY June Jones class and easly has the highest % of recruits with P5 offers including when Klemm and Reinbold were here. Plus the two June Jones classes that came closest had about 6 non-qualifiers each

[JasonB]

"Also, as the season goes along, other teams adjust to what you do, but lack of talent constrains how much you can adjust."

Well, let me expand on that. We only have 30% of the offense installed, which certainly impacts our ability to make adjustments. You can assume there are four possible reasons:
1) Our players haven't had enough practice time to implement everything.
2) Our players aren't smart enough to learn it quickly.
3) The coaches are poor at teaching it.
4) We don't have the right players to execute the full playbook.

I would say number 1 and number 4 are probably the biggest reasons for the 30% installation. But regardless that 30% does hamper your ability to make a lot of adjustments.

[Rebel10]

"Also, as the season goes along, other teams adjust to what you do, but lack of talent constrains how much you can adjust."

Well, let me expand on that. We only have 30% of the offense installed, which certainly impacts our ability to make adjustments. You can assume there are four possible reasons:
1) Our players haven't had enough practice time to implement everything.
2) Our players aren't smart enough to learn it quickly.
3) The coaches are poor at teaching it.
4) We don't have the right players to execute the full playbook.

I would say number 1 and number 4 are probably the biggest reasons for the 30% installation. But regardless that 30% does hamper your ability to make a lot of adjustments.

I don't really know if either of you guy saw the video of Coach Morris saying that the USF D line was getting a push on our O line so we could have had 100% of the offense installed and it would not have made a difference. Because as Mike Tyson would say "everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth." Or as Coach Malone said that you have to be perfect when you play when you play against bigger, faster, and stronger teams. And no one is perfect. We just have to be patient with the process.

[footballdad]

In the words of dallascowboy..........cool bro, you win.

Always the last word, always an excuse or justification. I won't even bother with a reply.

Please make the 'tiki' and 'P5 offer' excuse thread go away!