PB f's up twice in OT

[PhirePhilBennett]

That is exactly right. Everytime I point to PB decision making as cause for a loss, it is because he doesn't give his players' the best opportunity to win. Based on everything I have heard about being worn out and beat up, etc., the decision to go for was poorly timed. You cant put up a zero knowing they get a shot to run their offense. You can practically kick the FG to win without running a single play (although i wouldnt trust their kicker on a 42 yarder).

As has been the case in a couple other games, a 2pt conversion attempt would have been appropriate in the 2nd OT. I will take one play from the 3 to win EVERY week, particularly on the road. (But I would put JW under center and run it up the middle)

Whatever, though, the point is moot. As much as we all complain, the season is over. We all support the players and thank the seniors. A new season is upon us and may our new coach bring a bright light to the future years.

Here's to the Mustangs in 2008!

If the theory was somehow that 'even if we miss it, we can still hold them to the FG attempt, and they are likely to miss it because their kicker is bad', well, then why don't you just kick it and win it when they miss theirs.

I can understand it much more if MEmphis had ALREADY scored a FG and you were saying "Well, our D is tired, we need to end this now" - well ok.

But even if you make it, a TD, then what? Memphis can STILL tie it...so what have you gained? Not much. What have you lost?

A FG BEATS YOU NOW.

BUT you hit it right on the head, when their offense still has a chance to score - then you KICK THE FG!

[Pony Soup]

MORON^

Yeah every other Coach that does that is a genuis but Bennett's an idiot.

NO. I think you should NEVER do that. All you are doing is giving the kicker extra practice. IF he misses, you screwed up. If he makes it, he gets another "rhythm" shot.

This is what BAD COACHING does:

UNHAPPY ENDINGS
The Mustangs lost five Conference USA games this season in the final minute or overtime.

Sept. 29, UT-El Paso 48, SMU 45 (OT): UTEP forced overtime with seven seconds left in regulation and scored the game-winning touchdown on a 10-yard run. SMU had a 14-point fourth-quarter lead.

Oct. 20, Tulane 41, SMU 34 (OT): Matt Forte rushed for 342 yards, including the winning 9-yard score in overtime.

Oct. 27, Tulsa 29, SMU 23: Charles Clay caught a 51-yard touchdown pass with 43 seconds left for the victory. SMU couldn't score with first-and-goal at the 5 on the previous possession.

Nov. 10, Rice 43, SMU 42: Clark Fangmeier made a 31-yard field goal with no time left for the win. SMU had a 15-point fourth-quarter lead.

Saturday, Memphis 55, SMU 52 (3OT): Memphis' Matt Reagan kicked a 32-yard field goal for the win after SMU came up short on fourth-and-goal from the 2.

Right on!!

Tulane - Go for 2 at the end of regulation. Like we have said 100 times, this team should take 1 play from the 3yd line to win EVERY TIME.

Tulsa - Kick the FG and force them to put up 6. I know they did this but the entire remainder of the game would have changed if we were defending the TD, not the 25yd line.

Rice - RUN OUT THE CLOCK. DO NOT THROW ON 3rd and 9 with less than two minutes left. Taking a knee would have forced Rice to use its final TO, and then they wouldn't have had one to stop the clock with 1 second left

Memphis - See above. What a joke. The defense was tired. WORST move of his career, you cannot even start to defend the timing of "going for the win." WHAT A JOKE.


STEVE - WHO IS OUR NEW COACH??????? TELL US!!!

[mustangfan01]

It's a shame we don't get the opportunity to see "Thank god Bennett didn't lay an egg and kick the field goal from a 2 -- what a travesty of a call that would have been."

[perunapower]

It's a shame we don't get the opportunity to see "Thank god Bennett didn't lay an egg and kick the field goal from a 2 -- what a travesty of a call that would have been."

That is a shame. Oh what I'd give for us to have had another blocker on the right side...

[Stallion]

You know I'm a percentages guy-If I was the Coach I would have taken the points.

But the same posters who names show their prejudice were calling for the exact opposite in previous OT games. I believe the Coach could analyze the inability of his defense to stop Memphis all day, consider how tired they were and listen to the team and come to the rational decision to go for the TD in that situation.

Once the decision is made it is made. The team has the responsibility to get the job done and if they don't there is no second guessing. You can not reduce a game of a Million variables down to one unsuccessful play and then CRY like a Baby "See that [deleted] lost the Game for Us"

These same fans have blamed the Coach for all 11 losses this season which is ludicrous and infantile. From my perspective if SMU holds Memphis to 51 points they win. If the offense scores TDs in OT instead of a FG they win. If the defense stops Memphis on any one of about 10 occassions yesterday SMU wins. They didn't so have some pride and lose as a team. Offense, Defense, Coaching Staff. Get the job done or go home with a Loss. The credit and blame for that Loss should be shared throughout the Team.

[PhirePhilBennett]

You know I'm a percentages guy-If I was the Coach I would have taken the points.

But the same posters who names show their prejudice were calling for the exact opposite in previous OT games. I believe the Coach could analyze the inability of his defense to stop Memphis all day, consider how tired they were and listen to the team and come to the rational decision to go for the TD in that situation.

Once the decision is made it is made. The team has the responsibility to get the job done and if they don't there is no second guessing. You can not reduce a game of a Million variables down to one unsuccessful play and then CRY like a Baby "See that [deleted] lost the Game for Us"

These same fans have blamed the Coach for all 11 losses this season which is ludicrous and infantile. From my perspective if SMU holds Memphis to 51 points they win. If the offense scores TDs in OT instead of a FG they win. If the defense stops Memphis on any one of about 10 occassions yesterday SMU wins. They didn't so have some pride and lose as a team. Offense, Defense, Coaching Staff. Get the job done or go home with a Loss. The credit and blame for that Loss should be shared throughout the Team.

Wrong

[KnuckleStang]

You know I'm a percentages guy-If I was the Coach I would have taken the points.

But the same posters who names show their prejudice were calling for the exact opposite in previous OT games. I believe the Coach could analyze the inability of his defense to stop Memphis all day, consider how tired they were and listen to the team and come to the rational decision to go for the TD in that situation.

Once the decision is made it is made. The team has the responsibility to get the job done and if they don't there is no second guessing. You can not reduce a game of a Million variables down to one unsuccessful play and then CRY like a Baby "See that [deleted] lost the Game for Us"

These same fans have blamed the Coach for all 11 losses this season which is ludicrous and infantile. From my perspective if SMU holds Memphis to 51 points they win. If the offense scores TDs in OT instead of a FG they win. If the defense stops Memphis on any one of about 10 occassions yesterday SMU wins. They didn't so have some pride and lose as a team. Offense, Defense, Coaching Staff. Get the job done or go home with a Loss. The credit and blame for that Loss should be shared throughout the Team.

Wrong

Now there's a substantive rebuttal.

[George S. Patton]

I'm just amazed this thread has lasted as long as it has. We're arguing over the strategy a fired coach used at the end. We all knew his tenure was littered with game mismanagement.

I would venture this is PhriendofPhailure's idea of getting in his last cheap shots before Bennett is officially off the campus.

What a great guy.

[SMUMan02]

Can you think of any great coachs past or present that would allow his players to go for it or not in that situation? Could you see Tom Landrey or Lou Holtz or even let's say Ron Meyer? You guys wonder why we only one game this year, COACHING!!!

Funny, because I distinctly remember early in the season, Tony Romo convinced WP and JG to go for it on fourth down. Coaches ask players what they think all of the time. This is way overblown.

[Pony Soup]

You know I'm a percentages guy-If I was the Coach I would have taken the points.

But the same posters who names show their prejudice were calling for the exact opposite in previous OT games. I believe the Coach could analyze the inability of his defense to stop Memphis all day, consider how tired they were and listen to the team and come to the rational decision to go for the TD in that situation.

Once the decision is made it is made. The team has the responsibility to get the job done and if they don't there is no second guessing. You can not reduce a game of a Million variables down to one unsuccessful play and then CRY like a Baby "See that [deleted] lost the Game for Us"

These same fans have blamed the Coach for all 11 losses this season which is ludicrous and infantile. From my perspective if SMU holds Memphis to 51 points they win. If the offense scores TDs in OT instead of a FG they win. If the defense stops Memphis on any one of about 10 occassions yesterday SMU wins. They didn't so have some pride and lose as a team. Offense, Defense, Coaching Staff. Get the job done or go home with a Loss. The credit and blame for that Loss should be shared throughout the Team.

Dear Stallion,

There you go again, making [Deleted] up. Did I not just point out 4 games for which I attribute losses to PB's decision making. I do not care to argue about execution, all I stated was that he should have made a different decision in order to give SMU the best chance to win. I certainly did not blame 11 losses on Mr. Bennett.

Second, I called for different decisions in previous OT's? In this game, I believe that I simply call into question the poor timing of "going for it" because "we were tired." Once you didnt go for the 2 pt conversion, you have to take the 3pts on 4th down, knowing that they get the ball again. You stated above that this would be your preference too. Also, you certainly haven't seen me try to call Phil out for taking a TO before the FG attempt as that would be simply absurd.

In the Tulane game, I stated that we should have taken the opportunity to run one play from the 3 yd line with 7 or 8 seconds left to take a shot at winning. I like our chances, as many others, running one play to win and avoiding another set of possesions. So I didnt say anything about that OT.

In the Other games that I question PB's playcalling in, I simply refer to clock management via his play calling and one decision that made the opponent only need a FG to win instead of a TD. I want the best chance to win.

My battery is low so I will wrap it up quickly and address more later. I do not appreciate your repeated attempts to propogate lies and make others look bad. Also, you attack posters and try to belittle their opinions as though you are the almighty (damn PF for making you stallicious!). Please stop and provide your insights, which is all we want - because they are just that, insightful.

GTG for now - I'm Out....Go Stangs

[mustang91]

Can you think of any great coachs past or present that would allow his players to go for it or not in that situation? Could you see Tom Landrey or Lou Holtz or even let's say Ron Meyer? You guys wonder why we only one game this year, COACHING!!!

Funny, because I distinctly remember early in the season, Tony Romo convinced WP and JG to go for it on fourth down. Coaches ask players what they think all of the time. This is way overblown.

Wade Phillips a great coach? Time will tell. Even if you believe he's great, there' s a big difference between 4th down on the forty yard line in the middle of the game and 4th and goal, last play of game , to deciede if you win or lose.

[expony18]

MORON^

Yeah every other Coach that does that is a genuis but Bennett's an idiot.

agreed

[Pony Soup]

MORON^

Yeah every other Coach that does that is a genuis but Bennett's an idiot.

agreed

A little late to the party expony!

[expony18]

MORON^

Yeah every other Coach that does that is a genuis but Bennett's an idiot.

agreed

A little late to the party expony!

sorry this thread was done after the first post... i skipped the next three pages.... finals are a [deleted]