Interesting Info on Run and Shoot

[perunapower]

I doubt Morstead will mind. He ends the drive in one form or fashion, whether it be a punt, a field goal, or an extra point.

[PhirePhilBennett]

By the way, JJ calls his offense the Four Wide, not the run-and-shoot, and made a lot of changes to it while at UH. He very commonly just refers to it as "what we do". For example, the QB used to be under center a lot more when he first started at UH, moved to shotgun-only (except for short yardage and within the 5 yard line) due to pass protection benefits.

One thing to keep in mind is that the shovel pass is basically a running play for JJ's offense. It is basically a draw play with some misdirection used.

Some stats about the Hawaii's running game under JJ:
2006: Nate Ilaoa 990 yards rushing (7.6 ypc) and 837 yards receiving (12.5 ypr, almost all on shovel passes). Only fumbles prevented him from getting 1100+ yards, as he was yanked from some games after multiple fumbles.

2005: Nate showed up to camp significantly overweight, but ended up with 643 yards rushing (7.6 ypc), 274 yards receiving (7.6 ypr).

2004: Michael Brewster 772 yards rushing and West Keliikipi 336, so the total was over 1000.

2003: 4 RBs rotated, total for them was almost 1400 yards rushing

2002: 3 RBs rotated, total was over 1100 yards rushing

You get the idea...having more than 1000 yards rushing is not unusual in JJ's offense. 2007 was unusual because 3 OL and the top 2 RBs had gone to the NFL, and none of the RBs had any experience. The only RB they had that was a solid blocker (Farmer) had no speed and poor hands, and the 4-star transfer from Nebraska couldn't figure out how to block.

So, basically, it's what the Red Raiders do. Basically.

[Garret]

So, basically, it's what the Red Raiders do. Basically.

I've watched a lot of Texas Tech games and they are the closest analogy to JJ's offense. However, there are some key differences:

The splits on the OL are different, the RBs tend to be bigger in JJ's system (he converts backup DL to FB), and some of the routes are different. And JJ has been doing this a lot longer than the Texas Tech folks and changes 20% of the offense each year based on personnel. At Hawaii JJ couldn't get the same types of players each year, so he had to fit the offense to what he had available...Texas Tech gets more of the same type of WRs and RBs. For example, UH went from having their top 2 RBs in 2006 weight 260+ and 300+ pounds to having several RBs in 2007 weigh 200 pounds or less.

[Stallion]

Texas Tech's Offensive Line goes 6-7 to 6-5 across the board two deep with few exceptions. Garrett I believe Hawaii goes much smaller don't they.

[Garret]

Texas Tech's Offensive Line goes 6-7 to 6-5 across the board two deep with few exceptions. Garrett I believe Hawaii goes much smaller don't they.

UH uses smaller linemen because their standard running play requires the OL to pull...so they have to be extremely mobile. They do have some huge OL redshirting right now that I think will be a big upgrade at tackle. Hisatake was a 3-star DT that JJ converted to left tackle and the reports are *very* good on him. UH also got a tackle out of Australia that is something like 6-7 330 that will be good in a year or two.

Because of the different running plays and splits on the OL, the teams look for different size players...the Texas Tech guys don't seem mobile enough to me for UH's system and the UH guys aren't big or powerful enough for TT's.

[Stallion]

I don't know I've seen them up close and personnel for many years and they dominate. You ever seen them in their wide splits. Got to be able to block on an island like that. They are pretty darn good athletes. Tech likes OLM with long arms so they can extend their arms and make you run around the behemoths.

[Garret]

I don't know I've seen them up close and personnel for many years and they dominate. You ever seen them in their wide splits. Got to be able to block on an island like that. They are pretty darn good athletes. Tech likes OLM with long arms so they can extend their arms and make you run around the behemoths.

Stallion,

I've been to a lot of Texas Tech games in person and watched many others so I understand what you are saying about the Texas Tech line. However, I haven't seen them doing the type of runs where the guard (and center sometimes!) pulls like UH does...that requires a different type of lineman.

It is also possible that Hawaii had shorter lineman because Polynesians may be shorter than Texans...so the offense had to be different. Growing up in Hawaii the centers on the basketball teams were as short as 6'1" (and my high school had over 2000 students), and 6'5" was a tall center in the state.

[Stallion]

yeah that's what I was getting at- I think the Polynesians make great offensive lineman so he went with the shorter Offensive Lineman. In Texas seriously there are so many kids 6-4 and over its unreal. It will be interesting to see if his philosphy changes with the change in recruiting base. Traditionally, I think passing teams go to taller lineman with long arms but I noticed that wasn't really the case with Jones in Hawaii.

[Garret]

yeah that's what I was getting at- I think the Polynesians make great offensive lineman so he went with the shorter Offensive Lineman. In Texas seriously there are so many kids 6-4 and over its unreal. It will be interesting to see if his philosphy changes with the change in recruiting base. Traditionally, I think passing teams go to taller lineman with long arms but I noticed that wasn't really the case with Jones in Hawaii.

I understand your point. I lived in Texas for 9 years so I definitely noticed the difference in height between people in Texas and in Hawaii. It will be interesting to see if JJ changes his system to reflect that.

With the players at Hawaii now, I think that the starting tackles for Hawaii in 2 years will both be from California.

[SMU_DAD_00]

Very good article. JJ has morphed his office based on personel and experience.

I remember his NFL days and his office is better suited for college. Now everyone is running the spread aka run-n-shoot, with more shooting than running.

[PK]

Very good article. JJ has morphed his office based on personel and experience.

I remember his NFL days and his office is better suited for college. Now everyone is running the spread aka run-n-shoot, with more shooting than running.

Office or offense? I assume offense.

[Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex]

Very good article. JJ has morphed his office based on personel and experience.

I remember his NFL days and his office is better suited for college. Now everyone is running the spread aka run-n-shoot, with more shooting than running.

Office or offense? I assume offense.

Well, JJ does have a better office now.