“And you’re not going to learn standing over there by me?"

[Cadillac]

Okay, 10 may be a little on the high side. Make that 6-8 D-1 players a year. Check the other years also, click on the word "Kahuku" for the last 8 years. Also, that's not even counting the Kahuku residents that play private schools here.

http://hawaii.scout.com/a.z?s=219&p=9&c ... 64&yr=2008

That's funny, I was just coming back to retract my statement. I don't know if it's a function of population density, but there are a few HI schools that spit out D1a prospects left and right.

Kahuku, Kapolei, and Punahou are all off the charts.

-CoS

[Warbow]

Okay, 10 may be a little on the high side. Make that 6-8 D-1 players a year. Check the other years also, click on the word "Kahuku" for the last 8 years. Also, that's not even counting the Kahuku residents that play private schools here.

http://hawaii.scout.com/a.z?s=219&p=9&c ... 64&yr=2008

That's funny, I was just coming back to retract my statement. I don't know if it's a function of population density, but there are a few HI schools that spit out D1a prospects left and right.

Kahuku, Kapolei, and Punahou are all off the charts.

-CoS

Actually the Kahuku area is one of lease populated areas on the island of Oahu. Seems to be a stop over for Mormons from Samoa/Tonga on their way to Utah.

Bottom line... JJ never recruited Hawaii well. It was a shame that all that talent went elsewhere because JJ refused to make in-home and school visits because of a feud with high school officials/coaches. Then he crys about the recruiting budget when all it would have took was $10 worth of gas trip to the North shore.

[San Antonio Mustang]

Stallion, I have read your many posts over the last few years and I think often you make a good point. But, I have seen nothing in any of your posts that supports your apparent belief that Willis in this system would do better than Mitchell. I do not recall you ever stating that you have been to practice and observed with your own eyes Willis demonstrating to one and all that he can quarterback the run & shoot better than any other quarterback on the team. Until you can say that, all you are doing is blowing hot air. You do not have a clue as to how Willis is performing NOW. All of your statements supporting your conclusion that Jones has made a mistake are based upon stats and play under a very different offensive system.

Many of you on this board decry the effect a losing season will have on recruiting. I agree it cannot be a plus, but it is a plus that freshmen are getting the chance to play. The best high school players do not believe they need a red shirt year and will be attracted to a coach who is not afraid to play freshmen.

Personally I see the controversy of which develops a quarterback better playing of watching as irrelevant to our situation. If BLM is the quarterback that gives us the best chance of winning then lets develop him on the field instead of having him watch on the bench. If he is not then he should watch. The only one any of us has seen is Turner. It looks to me that Turner is making better reads and does understand the offense better, but he does not pass as well as BLM.

One final point. How many of you saw the ESPN and former NFL coach on Mike & Mike this morning. I don't recall his name, but he made the statement that he preferred to develop a quarterback on field playing instead of on the bench. He did say he thought Vince Young will benefit from watching now that he has played, but would not have benefited from watching from the get go. I am sure other coaches would disagree and I do not know if Stallion's statement that most would disagree is correct or not, but clearly there are many coaches that have far more experience than our Stallion who would agree with playing a first year quarterback.

[PonyKai]

Okay, 10 may be a little on the high side. Make that 6-8 D-1 players a year. Check the other years also, click on the word "Kahuku" for the last 8 years. Also, that's not even counting the Kahuku residents that play private schools here.

http://hawaii.scout.com/a.z?s=219&p=9&c ... 64&yr=2008

That's funny, I was just coming back to retract my statement. I don't know if it's a function of population density, but there are a few HI schools that spit out D1a prospects left and right.

Kahuku, Kapolei, and Punahou are all off the charts.

-CoS

Actually the Kahuku area is one of lease populated areas on the island of Oahu. Seems to be a stop over for Mormons from Samoa/Tonga on their way to Utah.

Bottom line... JJ never recruited Hawaii well. It was a shame that all that talent went elsewhere because JJ refused to make in-home and school visits because of a feud with high school officials/coaches. Then he crys about the recruiting budget when all it would have took was $10 worth of gas trip to the North shore.

And he could have stopped off and gotten a nice pineapple and some shave ice, and it's a great drive.

[Warbow]

Stallion, I have read your many posts over the last few years and I think often you make a good point. But, I have seen nothing in any of your posts that supports your apparent belief that Willis in this system would do better than Mitchell. I do not recall you ever stating that you have been to practice and observed with your own eyes Willis demonstrating to one and all that he can quarterback the run & shoot better than any other quarterback on the team. Until you can say that, all you are doing is blowing hot air. You do not have a clue as to how Willis is performing NOW. All of your statements supporting your conclusion that Jones has made a mistake are based upon stats and play under a very different offensive system.

Many of you on this board decry the effect a losing season will have on recruiting. I agree it cannot be a plus, but it is a plus that freshmen are getting the chance to play. The best high school players do not believe they need a red shirt year and will be attracted to a coach who is not afraid to play freshmen.

Personally I see the controversy of which develops a quarterback better playing of watching as irrelevant to our situation. If BLM is the quarterback that gives us the best chance of winning then lets develop him on the field instead of having him watch on the bench. If he is not then he should watch. The only one any of us has seen is Turner. It looks to me that Turner is making better reads and does understand the offense better, but he does not pass as well as BLM.

One final point. How many of you saw the ESPN and former NFL coach on Mike & Mike this morning. I don't recall his name, but he made the statement that he preferred to develop a quarterback on field playing instead of on the bench. He did say he thought Vince Young will benefit from watching now that he has played, but would not have benefited from watching from the get go. I am sure other coaches would disagree and I do not know if Stallion's statement that most would disagree is correct or not, but clearly there are many coaches that have far more experience than our Stallion who would agree with playing a first year quarterback.

You may as well give up ever seeing Willis at QB. JJ is a passing coach. If his QB's even has an ounce of running ability, he usually sits the pine. "what ya talking about Willis?"

[ponyboy]

Bottom line... JJ never recruited Hawaii well.

How the hell did he end up in the Sugar Bowl last year then? I'd say he did outstandingly well given your facilities.

[Warbow]

Bottom line... JJ never recruited Hawaii well.

How the hell did he end up in the Sugar Bowl last year then?

The answer to the question is plain and simple, Brennan and our ex-AD's weak @ss schedule making practices. All the cards were in place and JJ almost blew it a couple times in OT.

Hate to say it but, JJ recruited the jails better then he recruited the state of Hawaii.

Don't get me wrong, JJ is a great offensive mind. He's more groomed to be an offensive coordinator then head coach.

[ponyboy]

There were at least a couple of NFL franchises that disagree with that assessment.