New Policies for 2005 Boulevard

[MrMustang1965]

Couch em, you're right! I forgot that profiling based on "nationality" (Greek) violates the equal protection clause of the Constitution. My apologies to the whiny student who wrote that editorial.

Of course, I guess said whiny student overslept after a night of drinking and forgot to go to his pre-law U.S. Constitution class wherein he would have learned that the constitution protects its citizens from GOVERNMENT action, not actions of a private university against whiny fraternity boys. Thus, no action by SMU can ever be "unconstitutional."

Since this is a private university, shouldn't the TABC have to get a warrant to come onto campus and start IDing people? I assume that the university owns the streets, so couldn't they just put a sign on all the campus entrances requiring all police officers and government officials to check in somewhere on the edge of campus and present a warrant? Since all the underage drinking occurs on the north part of the boulevard, the excuse of the officers 'seeing' underage drinking and thus searching the premises would be invalid.....?

Obviously I'm an engineering major, heh.

TABC is able to police The Boulevard activities without a warrant because it is a 'public event'. The agents WOULD need a warrant if they were enforcing the law in the dorms, fraternity/sorority houses, etc.

[couch 'em]

OK, lets require everyone be a 'member' and give out free memberships at every game, like some restaurants in dryer regions. Would that avoid the problem?

[jtstang]

OK, lets require everyone be a 'member' and give out free memberships at every game, like some restaurants in dryer regions. Would that avoid the problem?

No. Surely even an engineering major is not insulated from the 21 year old drinking age law.

[Eddie P]

SMU does not "own" the streets. SMU resides in University Park.

TABC can enforce wherever they choose without warrants if they have "reasonable cause" to suspect the law is being broken. That's pretty much how all law enforcement agencies work. A thief runs into your house pursued by the police...they do not need a warrant to enter the house. So, TABC agents seeing guys and girls out in the broad day light drinking, people who look about 18-19 years old, they can approach them and ask for ID.

[jtstang]

Hell, for that matter, the SMU cops can check ID's out there too. I don't know if they do or not...

[Dutch]

why is this even being discussed? I guess i am under the assumption that everyone on this board is an alum (thus over 21 and not concerned w/ a wristband or getting ID'd)

[couch 'em]

SMU does not "own" the streets. SMU resides in University Park.

TABC can enforce wherever they choose without warrants if they have "reasonable cause" to suspect the law is being broken. That's pretty much how all law enforcement agencies work. A thief runs into your house pursued by the police...they do not need a warrant to enter the house. So, TABC agents seeing guys and girls out in the broad day light drinking, people who look about 18-19 years old, they can approach them and ask for ID.

I was always though the streets were private and owned by SMU. Didn't SMU have to pay to repave Bishop? I've never seen any UP officials involved in any of the construction, including the repaving and moving of the curbs outside Boaz and the new buisiness building.

[couch 'em]

No. Surely even an engineering major is not insulated from the 21 year old drinking age law.

1. I am over 21
2. I was asking hypothetically, as$.

[jtstang]

No. Surely even an engineering major is not insulated from the 21 year old drinking age law.

1. I am over 21
2. I was asking hypothetically, as$.

Well then its a stupid hypothetical, @ss. How would requiring "memberships" accomplish your apparent goal of allowing underage drinking on campus? IF YOU'RE UNDER 21 YOU CAN'T DRINK, EVEN WITH A "MEMBERSHIP" BUDDY. Have they dumbed down the engineering school since I left there?

[tmustangp]

The TABC could set a new relay record if they showed up at the "little" student drunkfest in the parking lot adjacent to Dutch Meyer and frog alley.

I was in total agreement with you Bergermeister until I decided to do a little research and find some answers. Now I will preface that my research was just asking people about other colleges, but what I found out is that the big schools are cutting down on underage drinking at tailgates. What the big schools have that we don't have are non school owned fraternity houses and student housing on campus which are close to the stadium. For example in Columbus (ohio state) the frat houses and regular student housing are walking distance to the stadium and therefore the students just drink at their own houses and then go tailgate.

but the actual tailgating area at ohio state games and other big conference schools are cutting down on underage drinking also.

One more thing this was bound to happen because underage drinking at tailgating parties has only been a problem for 20 years since they changed the drinking age and you could get away w/ anything on campus in the 80's adn early 90's, so really this has only been a problem for about 10 years.

We don't live in mississippi where all they care about are getting hammered at the games and saying the "hottie tottie" chant about 1000 times a game. I think it would be cool, but i would also rather live in Dallas than oxford

[tmustangp]

the TABC has surely got better things to do with their time. I bet the big public schools in the Big 12 and SEC don't have to deal with this.

sorry bergermiester i meant to quote huntnfish not you

[tmustangp]

the TABC has surely got better things to do with their time. I bet the big public schools in the Big 12 and SEC don't have to deal with this.

sorry bergermiester i meant to quote huntnfish not you

[couch 'em]

Well then its a stupid hypothetical, @ss. How would requiring "memberships" accomplish your apparent goal of allowing underage drinking on campus? IF YOU'RE UNDER 21 YOU CAN'T DRINK, EVEN WITH A "MEMBERSHIP" BUDDY. Have they dumbed down the engineering school since I left there?

Of course it is a stupid hypothetical. I am more asking about laws relating to police coming onto private property then something to seriously do on the boulevard. It was in reference to preventing the TABC from being able to run around campus.

First, I asked if you could prevent them from coming up the boulevard by ....well, you can read the post. Then the point was made that it wouldn't matter because it was a 'public event'. Then, I asked if you could make it NOT a public event by requiring people to have 'memberships' to GET INTO THE BOULEVARD. Not to drink, but to gain access. Would that still legally be considered a 'public event'? If the officers couldn't get near enough to the boulevard to see people drinking, they couldn't really claim to have probable cause.

Also, why are you an a$shole?

[jtstang]

Also, why are you an a$shole?

Just responding in kind.