5th straight bowl game in 2013

[Grant Carter]

Rossley won 5, Cavan a winning record at 6-5 and Phil Bennett 6-6 all playing with 2 hands tied behind their back. You have to be pretty clueless to not realize that June Jones (and now Larry Brown) are being allowed to enroll a totally different academic type into this school. The only recruits that aren't getting in are ones with NCAA qualificationj issues-not SMU admission issues. Of course, this program should be significantly better now. There are probably 20 starters during June's years that would not have ever been admitted to SMU under the old Model. All prior SMU Coaches since the Death Penalty could get to 7-5 with a bowl opportunity under the present system. This June worship is nauseating. Thank the people who got the Model changed because that's been the difference. The fact is neither Coach would have taken the job in the first place coaching under the prior model.

And none of the other coaches you named had the stature to get the model changed before they would take the job. If SMU had hired some run of the mill assistant instead of June there is no reason to believe the model would have changed. It is not about what June did, it is about what it took to hire someone of the stature he had at the time he was hired.

[Stallion]

Bullshit-we have the evidence from the DMN-SMU immediately admitted multiple times more marginal academic recruits in the first 2 years he was here. Look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that it is a miracle that a school like SMU with a relaxed admission policy, new stadium, nationally competitive university in a city like Dallas Texas could compete with schools like Rice, UTEP, UAB, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane, Marshall et al. Wow! Its the June miracle!!!!!!!!!!!! None of those schools should ever compete with an SMU that hasn't handcuffed its coach. The talent pool available to SMU has gone from about 50% in the early post DP days to about 98% of the talent pool. Of course we are more competitive. June barely has a winning record against Division 1A schools even discounting his first year

[ponyboy]

Are you suggesting that Carl the plumber could have won here? JJ is a known turnaround artist is he not?

[Grant Carter]

Bullshit-we have the evidence from the DMN-SMU immediately admitted multiple times more marginal academic recruits in the first 2 years he was here. Look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that it is a miracle that a school like SMU with a relaxed admission policy, new stadium, nationally competitive university in a city like Dallas Texas could compete with schools like Rice, UTEP, UAB, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane, Marshall et al. Wow! Its the June miracle!!!!!!!!!!!! None of those schools should ever compete with an SMU that hasn't handcuffed its coach. The talent pool available to SMU has gone from about 50% in the early post DP days to about 98% of the talent pool. Of course we are more competitive. June barely has a winning record against Division 1A schools even discounting his first year

Are you cursing at me? (Classy by the way) If so, I am not sure you understood my post.

[Stallion]

No I was saying you don't know what you are talking about. In Phil Bennett's last 2 years he averaged 3.5 recruits that had to be reviewed by the SMU's admission oversight committee. In June Jones' first full recruiting year he submitted 17 borderline, marginal recruits to the committee. You think June jones came here 2 weeks before his first signing date and magically forced through changes in admission policy. It didn't happen like that. The talent pool floodgates were opened as an inducement to hiring whatever new coach accepted the job. Any changes June has sought since his hire have only marginally increased the talent pool.

[Grant Carter]

No I was saying you don't know what you are talking about. You think June jones came here 2 weeks before his first signing date and magically forced through changes in admission policy. It didn't happen like that.

No, that is not what I think. I think that the school knew that to hire someone of the stature June had at that time, they had to make changes in their policies. It could have been June, it could have been someone else with the requisite stature. Most likely if they had wanted to hire a relatively unknown coach they would not have felt the need to change the policies.

I used the phrase "before they would take the job" on purpose to refer to things that I think took place before he was hired. I did not say a single thing about anything that happened after he was hired (whether in the first 2 weeks or otherwise) so I am not sure where you got that.

I also did not say anything about miracles, so I am not sure where that rant came from.

[Grant Carter]

The talent pool floodgates were opened as an inducement to hiring whatever new coach accepted the job.

You edited your post since I quoted it, so I thought I would respond again.

This is why I thought you might not have understood my post. We are saying very similar things. The sentence below was in my initial post which caused you to curse at me. Note how similar it is to what you said in the quote above.

It is not about what June did, it is about what it took to hire someone of the stature he had at the time he was hired.

"what it took to hire" ~ "inducement to hiring"

I guess maybe you are focused on the difference between your phrase "whatever new coach" and my phrase "stature he (June) had at the time he was hired"? Are you just saying that changes would have been made to hire any coach at all vs my contention that the changes were made to hire a prominent coach?

[SMU 86]

I believe they knew they had to change the policies regardless of who they hired. If not they would have been destined to fail regardless of who they hired. Orsini knew it had to be done as Bennett echoed before he left.

[gostangs]

I think the more relevant question from this point forward is why are we not more competitive for the 98% of the atheltes we can now pursue, partcularly the ones at the top of the talent pile. I am not a nieve guy - i know we are not going to pull very many national top 100's when we are not really in one of the top conferences, but we should not lose ANYONE to a school that is also not in one of the top five conferences. We clearly just dont have the hunger to do what it takes on the recruiting trail. If JJ is so supremely confident about his coaching system and abilities, (based on what nationally successful track record of success i am not sure) I would think he would be dying to try to match up with the better players and really get after it. Instead, he coaches up the 2 stars to better players, bat about 500 against average teams and we stay middle of the pack.

We wont break out of our conference shackles or our attendence issues until we bring in mostly 3 star and 4 star guys instead of 2 star and occasional 3 star guys. And that is going to take our staff out working the other staffs, which i dont think we do.

[Charleston Pony]

back to the prospects of a winning record and 5th straight bowl game...the bottom line is that if this year's team actually beats either Tech or TCU and goes 7-5 or better, we can thank our UT feeder system and these coaches' eye for talent. We all know we haven't been signing highly sought after kids out of H.S. so the only way they win this year is if a lot of those guys who were very lightly recruited have developed in this program to the point they can line up and compete against high 3 star and 4 star guys who were clearly projected to be better Division I prospects.

I love the fact we open on national TV against an opponent that will give SMU and the AAC instant attention if we could pull off an upset