Did playing on the island inflate the Jones record?

[George S. Patton]

Great that he took advantage of it. But can that kind of thing translate here even with all of pieces in place? I hope it does.

What was his record in the states,

Just asking...

Something to think about...

[KnuckleStang]

Thought about it, and not sure what you mean by using the words "playing on the islands" and "advantage" in the same post. Do you mean a $50,000 recruiting budget, crappy facilities, phenomenally incompetent AD, 3 mainland visits for recruiting in 9 yrs, 172-hr plane rides for all away games. Just want to clarify

[ClickClack]

Thought about it, and not sure what you mean by using the words "playing on the islands" and "advantage" in the same post. Do you mean a $50,000 recruiting budget, crappy facilities, phenomenally incompetent AD, 3 mainland visits for recruiting in 9 yrs, 172-hr plane rides for all away games. Just want to clarify

no, i beleive he is strichtly talking about the massive home field advantage Hawaii has when teams from the mainland have to travel to Hawaii for games.

[George S. Patton]

He went 9-4 that first year right?

He went 1-11 his first year here right?

As I said I hope it works here.

[kull]

the advantage comes in when other teams stay in waikiki and the players go to the beach, maybe lose focus. see Cincinati in 2008

traveling west is a luxury, traveling east is a drain. UH's road woes negates the homefield advantage IMO.

also, in his first year at hawaii, the team was senior heavy, they lost a bunch of players to nfl, and have no depth to go to beyond the following year. different circumstances/situation at SMU, different kind of rebuild, different model for culture change, etc

the man can't turn water into wine, talent precedes wins. you can see improvement on the field. Talking 'sour grapes' philosophy is understandible if you are a SMU fan, going to a bowl (when that happens) will be all the more sweeter. ~out

[mrydel]

He went 9-4 that first year right?

He went 1-11 his first year here right?

As I said I hope it works here.

Well he has almost already matched his second year at Hawaii his second year here. Does that make him a genius? If we win 4 games is he that much better than Hawaii? If we win 6 is he twice as good as he was there? Come on George have at least a little patience. The model for recruiting has been changed to a proper level for all of 1 1/2 years. You know better and playing this act on the board belittles your knowledge and common sense.

[Pony_Fan]

Such a typical GP post

[Hal]

no, i beleive he is strichtly talking about the massive home field advantage Hawaii has when teams from the mainland have to travel to Hawaii for games.

Which is balanced out by the ridiculous disadvantage Hawaii faced when traveling to the mainland for road games. This idea is idiotic in its inception. If nothing else, he suffered by being out there, as it took years before mainland media even realized what was going on out on the islands. GSP is turning into a ponysnob starter kit.

[RedTapestry]

If memory serves, that 9-4 Hawaii team had senior, NFL-quality offensive line talent. So your silly comparison can just end right there.

Where is SamuraiStang when we need him...

[kull]

If memory serves, that 9-4 Hawaii team had senior, NFL-quality offensive line talent. So your silly comparison can just end right there.

Where is SamuraiStang when we need him...

and defensive line, linebacker, corner.

[davidpaul123]

Im really tied of hearing the General jumping all over June. Name a coach that we could get that is any better than what we have. He has significantly upgraded the talent and athletecism on both sides of the ball. I believe we are going in the right direction, no matter how dissapointing the QB play is to both us and Jones.

[Stallion]

Over the long run he did have a certan advantage no other Coach had. He usually played Bowl Games a Home. He usually played at least 1 and sometimes more home games because of the Rule allowing Hawaii to play an extra home. I calculated it once-honestly can't recall exactly but I think he played something like 62% if his games at home. That's an advantage.

[George S. Patton]

The keeper is the only one who has answered the question. Others are so caught up in spewing venom at me rather than actually thinking about it.

[ponyscott]

Over the long run he did have a certan advantage no other Coach had. He usually played Bowl Games a Home. He usually played at least 1 and sometimes more home games because of the Rule allowing Hawaii to play an extra home. I calculated it once-honestly can't recall exactly but I think he played something like 62% if his games at home. That's an advantage.

I wouldn't doubt that as they had an advantage for certain with their great home crowds. And there are many distractions for traveling student/ athletes in Honululou that could keep them out late at night and don't forget the 3-6 ( depending on what part of the country you are from)hour time zone difference which can affect your players as well.

[mrydel]

We needed Jones to get us into the world of reality in recuiting and attitude. If successful in bringing the program back to respectability, the next coach will not have to be as expensive or experienced. The key was to get us to a level playing field and as far as the recruiting guidelines, he has pretty well done that. The key to hiring Jones was to get a coach with enough "star power" to be able to command that internal rules be changed if he were to come, and in that area he has succeeded. Now we need to win a few games and move up a few notches on the ladder. Winning CUSA is a nice goal but that is not the first goal in sight. We need to become competitive and begin winning more games and recruiting battles than we lose. We need some top recruits to help turn us around. I repeat what I have said before, I do not think the QB that will "lead us out of the wilderness" has yet to be recruited. Someone like Padron, McDermott or Kaiser, or even Mitchell may allow us to move forward and improve and that for now is the key.

We are now entering a key series of games that require us to show improvement and turn around. Listen to the decent recruits that are considering us. The main thing they stress is wanting to be a part of the turn around. They do not say they want to wait for it to happen, they want to be a part of it. This is the recruiting strategy and now is the beginning of the stretch where we have to show that the turn around is possible. I have watched every team we have remaining on our schedule play at least one game. We can complete with every one of them. Win them all, I seriously doubt it, but the opportunity will be there and hopefully we will surprise some of them.