Lucky TCU

[Duke Blue Blood]

TCU was so lucky tonight. What happened to this great defense they have. Louisville moved the ball at will. 3 missed field goals!

DBB

[Frog81]

Our secondary is beat to hell. Injuries happen, but when you lose a guy like Godbolt for the year, its going to affect you. There were guys playing in the defensive backfield at the end of the game that I haven't seen all year.

[Charleston Pony]

I would take TCU's "luck" any day. Any team that goes through a full schedule of I-A opponents unbeaten is to be congratulated. It hasn't happened yet and the frogs have a couple of dangerous games remaining on the schedule.

As for those who would proclaim them BCS bound, I still don't see it, unless all the "one loss" BCS teams lose another game. There is little doubt in my mind that TCU would be an 8-4 or 9-3 team playing in the Big XII. When you look at TCU's opponents this year, the only "quality" win any of them can claim is Cincy's win at W.Va. early in the season. For the most part, CUSA teams have been whipped soundly by the better BCS schools on their schedules.

[The PonyGrad]

Originally posted by Charleston Pony:
As for those who would proclaim them BCS bound, I still don't see it, unless all the "one loss" BCS teams lose another game.

Whether you agree or not about whether they should go, I am convinced that if they are undefeated, they will go. I did not expect them to be in 9th but they are and that is because the computer polls are good for TCU and offset the SOS. The other offset is the lack of a loss.

TCU's biggest drag is not the SOS but rather the polls. And look at the 1-2 loss teams above them in the polls. Va.Tech goes to Pitt. Ohio St. must play Mich. St. and at Michigan, Miami plays Tennessee, Georgia (who almost lost to UAB by the way) plays Auburn, Iowa is at Purdue, and Texas is at OK. St. Any upsets here will aid TCU's BCS score.

The thing that would upset the TCU train might be for Oklahoma, for example, to be upset in the Big XII championship.

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[CoxSMU]

TCU won't be in a BCS bowl...My bet is that they lose a game. I could also see them pulling a "BYU." For those who don't know what I am referring to, BYU cried a few year ago that they should have been in a BCS bowl, but then got throttled in their bowl game to Hawaii....TCU is overrated. Yes TCU is undefeated and yes they are good. But they would get absolutely MANHANDLED by almost every SEC and Big 12 team. Teams like LSU would murder them and yet TCU is only 2 spots behind them in the BCS? I say that as a TCU outsider, not as an SMU fan.

[bhop]

Charleston Pony,

Not to take anything away from TCU; they have had a great season. But do you really think they would be 8-4 or 9-3 if they were in the Big-12? The Frogs would play in the south division and would have to play UT, Oklahoma, OK State, Tech,
and A&M. From what I've seen of TCU this season, I would only favor them against A&M. Plus, they would have to play north schools like Nebraska and K-State. I don't see TCU winning those games.
I think they are definitely a .500 program or less in the Big-12.

[CoxSMU]

My point of that last post was mainly to say that the BCS is very flawed. A team like Arkansas(who is in the middle of the pack in the SEC) would beat TCU. Thats why I think if the BCS continues, they should add conference affiliation into the picture. While some may argue that SOS takes care of what conference you are in, I don't think it does. A big 12 schedule is tougher than a C-USA schedule, even if the Big-12 doesn't have but one or two top 25 teams....

[CoxSMU]

Bhop, I agree. We pretty much are saying the same thing here....

[OldPony]

No Cox-That isn't right. Points are already given for teams people think are tough. It is the small school in a non BCS conference who gets screwed. Look for ewxample at FSU a few yewars ago. The had beaten CU (eventual Big 12 champs) and Wisconsin and ,I think Oregon. They were playing havoc with the BCS rankings. But what happens? They lose their first 2 WAC games. Then all the sports writers (puppets of BCS) start saying that CU, Wisc and Oregon improved and FSU couldn't beat them again. TCU has beaten everyone who has been put in front of them. I also think that they would play extrememly well against UT (Ark and OU sure didn't think much of them),TT- no defense whatsoever, OSU-see TT, KSU-no offense whatsoever. I don't know who would win but TCU is certainly in the sdame class with these schools. The system is flawed and only a playoiff will fix it. BCS schools don't want a playoff because they get all the money already.

[CoxSMU]

Thats hilarious Old Pony. Really funny. Do you actualy want to tell me that TCU could beat Georgia, Iowa, Texas, Tennessee, or Florida?!?!? Give me a freaking break. TCU would get rocked by those teams. TCU would get KILLED by LSU. Michigan, and Virginia Tech(teams that are only a few spots ahead of TCU). My point isn't that TCU is good, they are...But they aren't a top 10 team. Undefeated is impressive, but the impressiveness wears off once you realize that they are in C-USA. I am not trying to rain on our C-USA parade, but no team who goes undefeated in CUSA should be considered a top 10
BCS team. My god, look at TCU's schedule. Their slight, slight, slight victory over Louis was their first, count it FIRST, victor over anyone who is in the top 25. There entire schedule had been victories over teams that aren't even close to the top 25.

Tulane- Decent team, but nothing to write home about

Navy- Improved team with winning record, but they lost to Deleware(DELWARE!)

Vanderbilt- My god, no comment.

Arizona- 13 to 10 victory over a team in shambles

Army- The worst team in Div-1 football.

South Florida- Nope, a 5-3 team. Beat them by a field goal.

UAB- Once again, a field goal

Houston- Scored 66 points to be a team that scored 55...

Wow, Old Pony. Those are some impressive wins. Are they a top 25 teams? Yes. Are they a top 10 team that is better than Texas, Georgia, and Iowa? NOT AT ALL. Go check out CFBnews.com. They have TCU ranked somehwere like 33rd in the nation....

[CoxSMU]

OP, your Fresno example pretty much proves my point. Fresno did exactly the opposite of what I am preaching...They beat the big boys, but lost to the WAC foes. But my point about Conferences is still valid. A team like Fresno that year could not have gone through an entire year of Big 12 competition and had the same year. Yes, they beat Wisc and CU. But, the fact that they couldn't gear up and win those 2 WAC games show you that there is a lot more to play in the Big 12 and the SEC than head-to-head talent. You have to be consistent and well, well coached. Fresno St. Would have had 7-5 or 6-6 record in the Big 12 that year. TCU would be 6-6 or maybe( and I mean MAYBE) a 7-5 record in the SEC or Big-12...

[The PonyGrad]

These anti-TCU for the BCS posters sound hysterical. What is the matter with a non-BCS team going to the bowl. The system is the system. There is no play-off and the rules are set. If TCU wins out they will be 6th in the BCS. They will have earned a spot based on the rules. Since there is no playoff you can not win your way in so the rules were set and set to favor the BCS conferences and ND.

Any one can say this team would not beat that team blah blah blah, but that is why they play the games. In any other sport it would be on-field results that determine the champion but with D1A it is the pundits. Well to heck with them.

If we are arguing against TCU to get in by the rules then we are arguing against ourselves getting in. I am no fan of TCU but anyone arguing that they should not get in is a BCS hack.

[abezontar]

Actually I don't know that TCU getting a BCS bid would be the best thing for those of us who are opposed to the BCS. IF TCU gets a bid, and they win (or at least play them very very close) then that would be great for the anti-BCS crowd proving that the non-BCS schools can compete with the BCS kids and that the BCS unfairly keeps them out of the money. If TCU goes and they LOSE well, then that will just strength the BCS position that schools from the non-BCS conferences can't compete, and they are justified to exclude them from all the BCS money and power.

[EastStang]

There's a real easy way to stop this argument. Let's hope the Ponies beat the Froggies. After that, no one will rank the Froggies in the top 25.

[Mexmustang]

My own view of TCU, is that our rivalry is extremely important to both schools. Currently, TCU's success is the standard by which we alum are pointing to when addressing the administration and faculty in support of all of SMU's sports. This rivalry has been good for both schools, motivating both alums and dollars to compete. In all honesty our success in the early 80's provided their motivation, their success today provides ours. It shows quite frankly that it can be done by a small private,church school in DFW--and boy am I pixxed!