Meanwhile, Tulsa Wins 7th Game

[QuietManDisciple]

Yes, Tulsa stomped Louisiana Tech for their seventh victory of the season. This is the same Tulsa that had a big goose egg in the win column a year ago.

I can't figure out this stunning turnaround. After all, as many of the regular posters on this board repeat week after week, it's the talent not the coaching that matters.

Tulsa is 7-4 and maybe bowl-bound, while SMU is 0-11 and circling the drain. Doesn't that tell us something? Naw! Coaching doesn't count!

[Dooby]

In part, it is the 5 juco starters on their roster that were brought in this year.

[Sam I Am]

I must be in Egypt with all this Denial around me. Of course its the coaching that turned Tulsa around. :pinch:

[TUfan]

Not that I like to be the fact freak or anything, but Tulsa defeated UTEP last year, making TU's record 1-11.

Also-- of the JUCO guys (four or five) two or three don't even play. One is a place kicker-- another is a QB-- both of them don't play for sure.

[Nacho]

Don't come on here with facts TUfan. The propaganda machine isn't set up for that. We think the coach and AD are great. The problem as we see it is that we don't have the players to compete with Rice.

[GoRedGoBlue]

Maybe when we get our JUCO QB we will go 7-4, too.

It's all about playmakers. Right now we have none that are playing and we only speculate about those on the RS Bench.

[QuietManDisciple]

I stand corrected, TUFan. Tulsa has pulled off "only" a six-game turnaround not seven. An even stronger indication that the players somehow did it all by themselves. It had to happen like that because, as we've all learned this season at SMU, the coaches aren't important. They're merely sideline spectators.

[Stallion]

Hey Tulsa's had a nice season-no doubt about it-they really found a great QB that if I remember correctly played 6 man FB in high school who has turned into a contender for All-WAC. I'll give them nice victories over Hawaii(No. 75 in Sagarin Ratings) and Louisiana Tech(no. 78). The rest of their victories are over Texas St. No. 176- SMU No. 174- UTEP No. 156- Arkansas St-No 137 and Rice No. 117. More power to themSMU has certainly not beaten some of those schools. BUT it is INCORRECT to say that they have not received a SIGNIFICANT contribution from JC, Prep and Division 1A prospects. Their most dangerous WR Bryant Romby is a JC transfer and he's having a great year-41 catches for 710 yards and a whopping 17.3 ypc on 8 TDs. Their most dangerous RB Uril Parrish has 100 carries for 537 and a nice 5.4 yards per carry is a prep school transfer. He is also their best Kick off returner with 19 for 453 yards and a nice 23.8 per attempt. Parrish also leads Tulsa in Total Offense. JUCO CB Oliver Fletcher is having a great year although he has only played in 9 games with 4 Int. and 44 tackles-who leads SMU in Interceptions? JUCO LB Michael Ledet is 3rd on the team in Tackles with 70 tackles along with 7 Tackles-for-Lossand 4 sacks. They've got 3 other JC and/or College Transfers who provise second team depth on defense. They've got a Punter who transferred from New Mexico that has to be close to the leading the WAC in Punting with a 43 YPK average. I'm not sure about their freshmen admission standards but I know for a fact they signed Darrin Billips who had committed to SMU and changed to Tulsa because he didn't meet minimum NCAA requirements-he ain't on the roster now but it does raise a red flag. Also, one of their top recruits last year was a kid SMU was interested in Roland Garrett-and I know for a fact he did not meet minimum NCAA requirement at least on signing date-a couple of Tulsa fans admitted that earlier in the year and it was reported by the recruiting services. More to the point I don't have a problem with what Tulsa is doing BECAUSE IT IS EXACTLY WHAT I PROPOSE THAT SMU SHOULD DO-allow the coach to sign 3-4 JUCO/Prep School kids a year to fill immediate needs. Tulsa clearly has been the recipient of some fair but leniant recruiting standards when you add a the most leathal WR, the most dangerous running back, the leading KO returner and TO leader, the 3rd leading tackler, the leading interceptor and possibly the All-Conference Punter. In fact, I expect most of those kids to contend for All-WAC either this year or next. NOW why can't SMU allow the same types of kids to fill our immediate needs? You can't jump on the Tulsa Bandwagon without admitting that ole Stallion may have a point.

<small>[ 11-16-2003, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: Stallion ]</small>

[PK]

Jeez Stallion...I don't know. Everyone else on this board seems to think it's a coaching problem...not a talent problem. I mean look at A&M, they obviously have a coaching problem too...oh...no, wait a minute, their coach is the miracle maker Coach Fran of TCU and Alabama fame. Oh what the hell...they should fire him too. :whistling:

[QuietManDisciple]

PK, if you've followed Stallion's pronouncements for any length of time, you know that he is always reluctant to critize the coaches. He was one of the last regular posters on Mustangmaniacs to concede Cavan had to go and then only grudgingly.

That's not to say Stallion believed Cavan was a great coach nor, for that matter, that Bennett is the one to lead the Mustangs out of the valley of death. He's clearly knows too much about college football to have a high opinion of either one.

Stallion's preoccupation is lowering admission standards and making SMU juco-friendly. He has been singing the same tune for years. That's why it's like pulling teeth to get him to comment on the here and now.

[FloridaMustang]

Well going through 2342536457 coaches sure hasn't done a whole lot for the program. SO COULD IT POSSIBLY A TALENT ISSUE?

Hmm. Impossible.

<small>[ 11-16-2003, 08:55 PM: Message edited by: FloridaMustang ]</small>

[Stallion]

I do have one comment-one of the best fundamentals coach in America coaches at Rice in Ken Hatfield under an uncompetitive athletic model. Rice has 3 wins and never been to a bowl game under his tenure. I don't waste my time thinking about an athletic model that might someday dominate Rice. I unabashable think we ought to have an athletic model that will allow us to have long term sustainable success at the highest possible level of Division 1A ala TCU. I also notice there ain't too many reasoned arguments that point to Tulsa as as an argument against my position when they employ the exact same Model as I propose in both FB and BB. BTW you are darn right I was one of the few people who said firing Cavan wouldn't change the fundamental problems in this program and I do believe I was 100% correct on that one.

<small>[ 11-16-2003, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Stallion ]</small>

[TUfan]

Originally posted by Stallion:
Hey Tulsa's had a nice season-no doubt about it-they really found a great QB that if I remember correctly played 6 man FB in high school who has turned into a contender for All-WAC.

Killian played 8-man football and has been at Tulsa since his freshman year.

Parrish hasn't played since the first few minutes of the UTEP game. He's out for the season-- torn ACL I think.

Fletcher has also been out since the UTEP game. Jacked up his ankle.

Our punter (Cort Moffitt) transfered to TU to play soccer and then decided he would rather play football.

Funny thing is-- TU fans think that TU isn't JUCO friendly enough, because if the JUCO kid takes nothing but remedial and fitness classes, the kid won't be able to transfer and retain any credits at TU. Personally, I am glad that it is difficult for JUCO's to get in to TU (though I disagree that it is too difficult). It should be that way.

<small>[ 11-17-2003, 04:21 AM: Message edited by: TUfan ]</small>

[QuietManDisciple]

TUfan, you'd better grab your helmet and make for the nearest bunker! Most of the folks on this board don't take kindly to anti-juco opinions. In their desperation to jump-start SMU's DOA program, they're prepared to lower the transfer bar -- and athletic admissions in general -- to a literacy test and a fifth-grade reading level.

[Stallion]

you know you are evading the issue-is the Tulsa program one that SMU should look at as a Model in both FB and BB because if it is you have bought my argument and should fully support the admission of 3-4 JUCOs a year in FB and 1-2 JUCOs in BB per year. If not, go find yourself another example because Tulsa is using Stallion's Model. (Boy I luv playing with some of you people every time you think you've made a point you send a big fastball down the middle of the plate that I get to knock out of the park).

<small>[ 11-17-2003, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: Stallion ]</small>