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Postby AusTxPony » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:37 pm

I think I read somewhere that JJ thought Preston would challenge Padron for the starting job. Where does that leave Kaiser? Has he switched schools or fallen behind or what? Anyone know? Maybe just coachspeak?
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby Topper » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:55 pm

Coachspeak. I saw Preston play last year. He has incredible potential, but he is not ready to challenge Padron.
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Postby couch 'em » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:58 pm

AusTxPony wrote:I think I read somewhere that JJ thought Preston would challenge Padron for the starting job. Where does that leave Kaiser? Has he switched schools or fallen behind or what? Anyone know? Maybe just coachspeak?

Word from other posters is Kaiser is not doing well. Sad because I'd love to see Kaiser and Reich play together
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Postby One Trick Pony » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:49 pm

You know Kyle may be better with a vastly improved defense
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby ThadFilms » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:30 am

AusTxPony wrote:I think I read somewhere that JJ thought Preston would challenge Padron for the starting job. Where does that leave Kaiser? Has he switched schools or fallen behind or what? Anyone know? Maybe just coachspeak?


June once told me that Kyle could be Heisman material. I believe him. I followed Preston while I was out in Cali. He's pretty much a badass, but he's not Kyle Padron. I think he redshirts. Hopefully Keiser doesn't transfer, but I don's see either taking KP's job next year.

I think we rag on KP too much here. Name the last QB that lead us to two straight bowl games... and then think about the answer.
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Postby One Trick Pony » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:16 am

Did June tell you that directly after the Hawaii Bowl ?
We all thought that then. I thought he was a mini Tim Tebow waiting to explode with the sky the limit. That was then this is now. I am concerned about that position .
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Postby couch 'em » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:25 am

ThadFilms wrote:
AusTxPony wrote:I think I read somewhere that JJ thought Preston would challenge Padron for the starting job. Where does that leave Kaiser? Has he switched schools or fallen behind or what? Anyone know? Maybe just coachspeak?


June once told me that Kyle could be Heisman material. I believe him. I followed Preston while I was out in Cali. He's pretty much a badass, but he's not Kyle Padron. I think he redshirts. Hopefully Keiser doesn't transfer, but I don's see either taking KP's job next year.

I think we rag on KP too much here. Name the last QB that lead us to two straight bowl games... and then think about the answer.

So who is responsible for the offense struggling? Our supposedly superior recruiting hasn't matched even the worst Hawaii teams in offense, nor have we even out performed several Rusty Burns offenses.
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby SMU2007 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:05 am

couch 'em wrote:
ThadFilms wrote:
AusTxPony wrote:I think I read somewhere that JJ thought Preston would challenge Padron for the starting job. Where does that leave Kaiser? Has he switched schools or fallen behind or what? Anyone know? Maybe just coachspeak?


June once told me that Kyle could be Heisman material. I believe him. I followed Preston while I was out in Cali. He's pretty much a badass, but he's not Kyle Padron. I think he redshirts. Hopefully Keiser doesn't transfer, but I don's see either taking KP's job next year.

I think we rag on KP too much here. Name the last QB that lead us to two straight bowl games... and then think about the answer.

So who is responsible for the offense struggling? Our supposedly superior recruiting hasn't matched even the worst Hawaii teams in offense, nor have we even out performed several Rusty Burns offenses.


do we need to compare our offense to the productivity of hawaii's in years past? yes it seems like we should since JJ implemented the R&S both places, but it appears like the offense here is much different than the ones he ran at hawaii (see Shawbrey and Zach). Just a thought. Having said that, our offense did seem to get into a rut last year and really needs to take off this year.
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby PoconoPony » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:12 am

[do we need to compare our offense to the productivity of hawaii's in years past? yes it seems like we should since JJ implemented the R&S both places, but it appears like the offense here is much different than the ones he ran at hawaii (see Shawbrey and Zach). Just a thought. Having said that, our offense did seem to get into a rut last year and really needs to take off this year.[/quote]

I am not sure "rut" is the right word. Last year the offense was constantly out of sync/rhythm/timing and really hurt us in many games with far too many 3 and outs. I could never figure out if all the kids were still maturing in the offense and having trouble making their reads or if KP were the one having the most trouble. I have somewhat come to the rationale that KP really did not know the offense very well when he took over and just resorted to natural instincts and let things happen. Because he was playing loose and natural his confidence was up and good things just happened including the Hawaii Bowl. I think last year he started to fully understand the offense and realized that it was complex and that there were a large number of variables for every play that were dependent on him making the right reads/decisions. As a result, he became somewhat mechanical with data over load and tried to think out all the variables on every play making him hesitant, too rote, and frequeintly too long in making decisions on his reads. It is all very natural in the learning process. My hope this year is that he can start putting his natural instincts and abilities in concert with his full understandings of the offense and become the insitinctive QB that we all expect of him. One constantly hears coaches comment that at a certain point in the learning curve when players quit thinking so much and just start reacting that they start making plays. I think KP is in this category and hope that he is ready to make the next step in transition.
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby Dukster » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:05 pm

June said Kp would be a Heisman candidate in 2012. This was said after a 3 int performance against Tech. It was also said after a 3 td performance against Tulsa (10-3). It was finally said a third time after an OT victory on the road against ECU. A game SMU had to have. He did it! KPs a winner. He plays hurt and he's unselfish. He played with a badly sprained ankle against ECU and delivered. Plain and simple. Stats wise, he only had the best passing season of any QB in SMU history (as a 19 year old soph). Not fair to compare Meredith, Lance, or even the Legend (totally different game). We, SMU fans, need to recognize that football is a team game. The offense does as well as the line, the receivers, and back play. The offense also gets the benefit of the play of the defense. The lack of turnovers and the length of drives also contributes to the successful evaluation of an offense. I'm looking forward to the next 2 years and see how far this group improves. Playing 14 games this year is meaningful. I recognize we lost our last 2, but, hey, 3 years ago we were just happy not to lose 12 games in a season, much less win 15 games and go to a conf championship game and 2 bowls in 2 years. I guess University Park's perennial tab of a loser is going away. Fans expect to win. Good, we have a leader who will win games for us.
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby Stallion » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:07 pm

Or maybe the talent on Offense hasn't really been that great-yet.
You guys way overrated Padron's development as a Freshman-now some are way underrating his potential as a Junior/Senior
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby Stallion » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:36 pm

Interesting article I found about the development of Colt Brennen written at the end of his Sophomore season when Hawaii finished 5-7. Every word about Brennen could be said about Padron-both after their sophomore year

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2005/1 ... ory02.html
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby Stallion » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:09 pm

And who did Hawaii beat in Brennen's 2005 Sophomore Season. First year of the WAC with a collection of gawd awful Sun Belt level teams. The great Colt Brennen never beat a winning team as a Sophomore

Idaho 2-9
NMSU 0-12
SJSU 3-8
Utah St. 3-8
SDSU 5-7

Most of those schools were so bad the only schools they could beat were each other. Hawaii lost by more than 10 in 6 out of 7 other games. Have some patience with Padron because the learning experience is just about over
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby Dukster » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:24 pm

2 excellent posts Mr. Stallion. Couldn't agree with you more.
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Re: 2011 QB

Postby ponyte » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:42 pm

The lack of turnovers caused by the D hurt. A long field isn't the best way to consistently score. Even for the run and shoot, a long field decreases the chances of a score.

Long fields are a killer for offenses. To be consistent and make critical plays against a defense that is competing just as hared to stop the offense is much harder than folks imagine.

The comment about a better defense is correct. Pardon, Line and the entire offense will improve as the D improves and gets more turnovers.
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