FWST Calls TCU Move to Big East "Imminent" and "Probable"

[ponyboy]

Here is where the confusion lies. Our stated goal is not to be TCU. Our goal is Top 25. As I have pointed out, this TCU move to the Big East will not deter us in any way from reaching that goal.

You cannot be this clueless. You are obviously just a troll.

Let me spell it out for you. Please follow along carefully. (And for goodness sakes, read the whole thing before popping off).

1) Current situation: Top 5 TCU and unranked SMU compete for a pool of 17 recruits who will consider going to a non BCS school. TCU wins 15 of 17 times.

2) Future situation: BCS team TCU has a new pool of recruits previously unavailable to them due to their non-BCS status and is now competing primarily with other BCS teams. The number of crossover recruits, those interested in both us and them, is now even smaller. But, even then when there is competition between us and them, TCU wins almost every time because they are top five and BCS and we are not.

What's the difference between 1 and 2? Nothing. Soooooooooooooooo.... TCU going to the Big East does not hurt SMU's recruiting in any material way.

[rich59]

Patterson's wife really likes FW. If TCU gets into a AQ conference, he is just where he wants to be and will never leave of his own accord. And TCU will be able to easily afford to pay him.

SMU ultimately must get to where it receives the revenue that being in a BCS conference brings. Being a top 25 program is a side effect of that.

It will be interesting to see what the fall out will be with the BE expanding. The MWC, if TCU leaves, is hurt even more than already. Boise State must be looking at it's cards again, having left the WAC to go to a supposedly stronger conference. If Houston leaves CUSA, that weakens it. IMO, the best chance for SMU is a national playoff system with all D1 teams sharing revenue.

[EastStang]

I don't think UH will be invited at this point for football only to the BE. First the BE has said it will only go to 9 or 10 football schools. Second it said, football only. It also said Villanova was moving up (make sense). The only way UH goes is after the raid by the Big Ten on the BE. That means that the MWC will essentially be after the smoke clears the old WAC minus SJS, UTEP, Utah, BYU and Hawaii and plus Boise State and Nevada. At this point, I would not want to join that conference. I would not mind a combined play in game for a BCS auto-bid or if necessary creating the first super conference with 24 schools and a semi-final and final championship model (if the NCAA blesses it). I'd even sacrifice a scheduled game to 11 if necessary to pull it off. My point about TCU's basketball attendance was that rumors persist that TCU will not accept a football only bid. And if that's the case, their basketball attendance is very relevant to the non-football teams in the BE.

[couch 'em]

Here is where the confusion lies. Our stated goal is not to be TCU. Our goal is Top 25. As I have pointed out, this TCU move to the Big East will not deter us in any way from reaching that goal.

You cannot be this clueless. You are obviously just a troll.

Let me spell it out for you. Please follow along carefully. (And for goodness sakes, read the whole thing before popping off).

1) Current situation: Top 5 TCU and unranked SMU compete for a pool of 17 recruits who will consider going to a non BCS school. TCU wins 15 of 17 times.

2) Future situation: BCS team TCU has a new pool of recruits previously unavailable to them due to their non-BCS status and is now competing primarily with other BCS teams. The number of crossover recruits, those interested in both us and them, is now even smaller. But, even then when there is competition between us and them, TCU wins almost every time because they are top five and BCS and we are not.

What's the difference between 1 and 2? Nothing. Soooooooooooooooo.... TCU going to the Big East does not hurt SMU's recruiting in any material way.

I can't believe I'm even responding to this.

Sure, it doesn't hurt us if you are happy being a middle-of-CUSA prospect. It DOES hurt our ability to IMPROVE and get better by adding better talent.

If TCU stays where it is, maybe we we snag a few more against them as we improve, and add more talent. Now, they will have EVEN MORE of an advantage against us, and we WON'T snag a few more guys. It will make it even less likely that we can tap into the talent pool in the future. It makes it harder for us to improve. Our goal is to improve. Therefore TCU moving hurts our ability to improve and acheive that goal.

[ponyboy]

Let me ask you this question. Is our reaching Top 25 status currently being blocked by TCU?

[mrydel]

Keep it simple. An additional member to the AQ level makes it more difficult for us to reach the top 25. AQ schools have recruiting, exposure, and monetary advantages thus an easier path to the top. If nothing else matters to ponyboy he should at least admit that TCU, or any new addition to AQ conferences makes our battle tougher.

[couch 'em]

Let me ask you this question. Is our reaching Top 25 status currently being blocked by TCU?

No, but it is certainly hindered. TCU improving it's status will hinder us more.

[ponyboy]

Keep it simple. An additional member to the AQ level makes it more difficult for us to reach the top 25. AQ schools have recruiting, exposure, and monetary advantages thus an easier path to the top. If nothing else matters to ponyboy he should at least admit that TCU, or any new addition to AQ conferences makes our battle tougher.

I agree with that mrydel. There are about 72 AQ schools and, with TCU, there would be 73. So the pool of BCS schools with first pick of the talent has increased by 1.3%. I contend that's not material.

[NickSMU17]

There is nothing we can do about it...so lets move on...

If everyone spent the same amount of time calling people to come to the game on saturday we may draw more than 20k...

I hate TCU and I don't think this will be the final domino in this game....there is still a great chance to keep improving and play our way into a better conference...

[ponyboy]

Let me ask you this question. Is our reaching Top 25 status currently being blocked by TCU?

No, but it is certainly hindered. TCU improving it's status will hinder us more.

So you believe TCU going to the Big East will *materially* hinder our efforts to improve?

[ponydawg]

[Stallion]

Yes see above but more importantly it will disadvantage us against our biggest rival. As long as TCU is on our schedule each and every year if we can't beat TCU with our weak schedule and they hang a Big L on us every year it will be very difficult to reach Top 25. In fact, we are disadvantaged by all BCS schools on our schedule against whom we will be similiarly disadvantaged. You've got to get at least some signature wins to make the Top 25. Realistically a non-BCS can afford only 2-3 losses a year to get to Top 25. You seem to suggest that conceding one of those losses only hinders us by 1.3%. You are wrong.

[Nacho]

get navy off the schedule. that's a certain loss too.

[HB Pony Dad]

You guys keep pounding an inflated toad!

I ask again where is the "Imminent"?

im·mi·nent

/ˈɪmənənt/
[im-uh-nuhnt]
–adjective
1.
likely to occur at any moment;
impending: Toad death is imminent.

I suggest we wait and see what the Big East really does.

The last time we be-atched and moaned this much was the imminent destruction of the Big East by the Big Televen.

I guess if "never" is likely to occur at any moment, than perhaps you guys are really on to something.

BTW

Simple plan for SMU

1. BLOCK
2. TACKLE
3. PLAY SPECIAL: AS IN DEFEND PUNTS, AND KICKOFFS AND BE OFFENSIVE WHEN RECEIVING SAME.
4. RECRUIT BIG STRONG LINEMEN
5. RECRUIT SKILLED POSITIONS WELL.
6. COACH TO 'WIN" - NO MORE ALLEGED "MORAL VICTORIES"


Whatever anyone else does is "MOOT"!

TCU is going to do what is best for them and "frankly, I don't give a d@mn!"

[ponyboy]

Yes see above but more importantly it will disadvantage us against our biggest rival. As long as TCU is on our schedule each and every year if we can't beat TCU with our weak schedule and they hang a Big L on us every year it will be very difficult to reach Top 25. In fact, we are disadvantaged by all BCS schools on our schedule against whom we will be similiarly disadvantaged. You've got to get at least some signature wins to make the Top 25. Realistically a non-BCS can afford only 2-3 losses a year to get to Top 25. You seem to suggest that conceding one of those losses only hinders us by 1.3%. You are wrong.

Why I do this, I'll never know. You think I'd learn eventually.

I think you have a few good points and I have a few good points. And in the context of any civil conversation we'd acknowledge them. But I spent years acknowledging your points and you spent years ignoring mine -- or deflecting and spinning. So I'm ending this conversation with a genuine thanks for your counterpoints.

Beat Marshall.