Texas Monthly article on Baylor

[smupony94]

@Hoopmanx 1h1 hour ago

What do David Koresh, Art Briles, Dave Bliss, and Scott Drew all have in common?

#wacohurtspeople #dontsendyourkids #alllivesmatter

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It is not based on common sense but it could be based on a bias against Baylor.

Could care less about Baylor, the fact that they're a 'religious' school makes their hypocrisy even funnier and oh so ironic. Are you the 'idiot' mentioned in this latest article:

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/ ... 458586.php

"Even an idiot could instantly realize that Baylor, Briles and everyone from president/chancellor Ken Starr and associate dean Bethany McGraw to Bears defensive coordinator Phil Bennett look inept, inane, and bad-Texas backwoods after Ukwuachu was convicted Thursday of second-degree assault."

"Starr spent years investigating a sitting U.S. president during the 1990's. But it must have been a little too much trouble for Starr, who has argued 36 cases before the Supreme Court, to discover anything real about Ukwuachu's disturbing past or to fully explore Doe's claims."

[Digetydog]

.....and who cares about the 'clean' transfer document. The kid had violence against women allegations against him at Boise.

If a kid isn't even charged by the police or Boise State for that matter, how do you decide that a kid can't get a second chance?

It's not like people don't make false allegations from time to time - > UVA rape hoax.

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.....and who cares about the 'clean' transfer document. The kid had violence against women allegations against him at Boise.

If a kid isn't even charged by the police or Boise State for that matter, how do you decide that a kid can't get a second chance?

It's not like people don't make false allegations from time to time - > UVA rape hoax.

Risk/reward....err on the side of caution....where there's fire there's smoke....common sense....actual due diligence....pull your head out of the sand.....

Why is he 'entitled' to a second chance in a major college football program on a college campus with thousands of women? Give him a second chance at an Amazon warehouse on third shift instead. Or on a ranch in Waco shoveling sh*t in July.

All kinds of other second chances for this young man. Give him some real work to do and maybe he wouldn't have as much free time on his hands to play video games and abuse women.

[Rebel10]

Guilty until proven innocent.

[Digetydog]

.....and who cares about the 'clean' transfer document. The kid had violence against women allegations against him at Boise.

If a kid isn't even charged by the police or Boise State for that matter, how do you decide that a kid can't get a second chance?

It's not like people don't make false allegations from time to time - > UVA rape hoax.

Risk/reward....err on the side of caution....where there's fire there's smoke....common sense....actual due diligence....pull your head out of the sand.....

Why is he 'entitled' to a second chance in a major college football program on a college campus with thousands of women? Give him a second chance at an Amazon warehouse on third shift instead. Or on a ranch in Waco shoveling sh*t in July. All kinds of other second chances for this young man.

Sorry. I did criminal defense work for years. While most of my clients were guilty of something, some were not. Those that were not guilty definitely deserved second chances.

Zero tolerance policies are a crutch that allow people to keep their jobs without making any decisions.

[Topper]

He may not have gotten dismissed from Boise for the sexual assault situation. So when Peterson says that he throughly informed Briles of why he got dismissed it may not have included anything about that. Note in Peterson's statement he never specifically addresses that but he makes a broad statement.

Exactly. Now it's a he said/she said. Only Peterson and Briles know exactly what was said, and both have probably been told to shut it down. Baylor in a really bad spot now, but would they actually fire Briles? Won't believe it till it happens.

Hopefully this pushes all universities closer to instituting a zero tolerance policy for any of these guys with this type of history. Second chance, I don't think so. SMU was lucky 2 years ago when June quietly removed one of our own in the dead of night with no explanation.

Blanket Zero Tolerance policies are a mistake. Criminal cases are complicated and blanket bans are for people too lazy/weak to make decisions.

Even the guilty should have a second chance. I am not sure how I would have handled the situation as Peterson says he described it. Maybe the alleged domestic incident should have been made public? I'm not sure of the legality of that. I think the problem in this case is that Briles might be lying. Once again, the cover up may be the actual wrongdoing.

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Yo Mr. Digety defense lawyer guy. You just made a fantastic case in favor of zero tolerance policies for college football programs.....prosecution rests it case.

Maybe Briles, Morris, Saban, Petrino, etc. shouldn't be allowed to make 'decisions' about whether a kid like this 'deserves' a second chance or not. You think there's any conflict of interest there for these coaches? Shocking that stuff like this happens all the time.....just shocking, how could anyone ever expect to see stuff like this coming?

[Pony Boss]

Yo Mr. Digety defense lawyer guy. You just made a fantastic case in favor of zero tolerance policies for college football programs.....prosecution rests it case.

Maybe Briles, Morris, Saban, Petrino, etc. shouldn't be allowed to make 'decisions' about whether a kid like this 'deserves' a second chance or not. You think there's any conflict of interest there for these coaches? Shocking that stuff like this happens all the time.....just shocking, how could anyone ever expect to see stuff like this coming?

Take it easy, Paul. Lol

[One Trick Pony]

Paul the Ceo? . This is a small neighborhood .

[Digetydog]

Yo Mr. Digety defense lawyer guy. You just made a fantastic case in favor of zero tolerance policies for college football programs.....prosecution rests it case.

Maybe Briles, Morris, Saban, Petrino, etc. shouldn't be allowed to make 'decisions' about whether a kid like this 'deserves' a second chance or not. You think there's any conflict of interest there for these coaches? Shocking that stuff like this happens all the time.....just shocking, how could anyone ever expect to see stuff like this coming?

- I suppose you like idiotic drug laws that force Federal Judges to send non-violent drug offenders to prison for decades while rapists get six months in the county jail?
- I suppose you like Zero Tolerence "gun" laws that cause little Johhny to get expelled for making a "gun" out of his Pop Tart.
If we are going to pay administrators enormous salaries to do important jobs, maybe we should expect/demand that they actually do their jobs.

Zero Tolerence rules are for children and the dim witted.

[whitwiki]

Boom lawyered

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Yo Mr. Digety defense lawyer guy. You just made a fantastic case in favor of zero tolerance policies for college football programs.....prosecution rests it case.

Maybe Briles, Morris, Saban, Petrino, etc. shouldn't be allowed to make 'decisions' about whether a kid like this 'deserves' a second chance or not. You think there's any conflict of interest there for these coaches? Shocking that stuff like this happens all the time.....just shocking, how could anyone ever expect to see stuff like this coming?

- I suppose you like idiotic drug laws that force Federal Judges to send non-violent drug offenders to prison for decades while rapists get six months in the county jail?
- I suppose you like Zero Tolerence "gun" laws that cause little Johhny to get expelled for making a "gun" out of his Pop Tart.
If we are going to pay administrators enormous salaries to do important jobs, maybe we should expect/demand that they actually do their jobs.

Zero Tolerence rules are for children and the dim witted.

As is religion, but that probably doesn't stop you from believing.

Stay on point and stop with the generalizations. I specifically said zero tolerance for college football programs/transfers with histories.

Also said coaches should have much less of a role in final transfer decisions. If administrators in coordination with some type of other committed were to make the final decision I agree that would be a better alternative. (Although Ken Starr, your famous lawyer colleague, obviously dropped the ball in this case)

Idiotic drug laws, legalize most all of that sh*t now.
Gun laws.... people kill people, guns don't kill people.

See we're not that much different.

[RGV Pony]

Dude...

[shadowman]

When the dust settles and people settle down, heads, including Briles are going to roll from this. Yes, football is important and Baylor reaped massive rewards from their success...but the power brokers and the ones with the massive amounts of money that ultimately matters don't really care that much about football.

There is about to be a "come to Jesus" meeting down in Waco and several key figures will not come out alive.

The issue is not a "he said/he said" about what they knew about his past, the issue is why such a shoddy internal investigation was done. Some individuals within the University worked backwards, ignoring facts, to find no merit in her claim so he could stay enrolled and on track to take the field. This is the domino that is going to make the whole thing fall.