DMN Article on JC Transfers to SMU

[jtstang]

That glosses over a HUGE ASSUMPTION ie that the kid is focusing only on getting admitted to SMU which is highly doubtful and that he doesn't have more enticing offers from the other 113 Division 1A schools.

You're hilarious--the other day when I pointed out most quality Jucos would rather go to a "more enticing offer" (I think I used UT or OU as an example) instead of SMU you told me to talk about the Boulevard instead because I did not know what I was talking about. Now you say the same thing.

You still never answered the question I posed--how SMU's going to get those high quality Jucos to come. I take it you are not satisfied with the efforts described in the article, so I'll give you another chance. How is it going to happen?

(Hint: it isn't going to happen--they'd rather go to UT or OU)

[Charleston Pony]

jt: we tried playing with UT and A$M at their game in the 80's and we all know what that got us. Our coaches will continue to face an uphill battle attracting the top players...especially in football where they know we don't even have the opportunity to compete for a national title. I'm a little more optimistic where hoops is concerned because 3 top players can give anyone a chance to make a run at the final four. All it takes is for Coach Tubbs to convince some of Dallas' top talent to stay home. Of course, that's what Dave Bliss' stategy was when he took over our hoops program years ago, but I think we can safely assume he was recruiting on a "level field" with everyone else.

[OldPony]

Until we get one recruit that was courted by KU, Kentucky, Duke etc lets not think we can play with those boys in b'ball. We haven't for a very long time. Maybe Jimmy can pull one off but let's not oversell. Hopkins was the highest rated ever and KU didn't try to get him nor do I think Kentucky. Maybe he just blew them off early but I watch KU fairly closely and I never saw his name mentioned. We can recruit well enough to get to the tourneu

[The PonyGrad]

...That glosses over a HUGE ASSUMPTION ie that the kid is focusing only on getting admitted to SMU which is highly doubtful and that he doesn't have more enticing offers from the other 113 Division 1A schools....

At the end of last season there were 117 IA schools. Did I miss the three drop outs?

[davish75]

Charleston, are you saying that UT and Tx A&M pay their football players throughtout the 60s - 90s? And that when SMU and TCU began to compete in the same manner, the big schools shut them down?

[SoCal_Pony]

That glosses over a HUGE ASSUMPTION ie that the kid is focusing only on getting admitted to SMU which is highly doubtful and that he doesn't have more enticing offers from the other 113 Division 1A schools.

You're hilarious--the other day when I pointed out most quality Jucos would rather go to a "more enticing offer" (I think I used UT or OU as an example) instead of SMU you told me to talk about the Boulevard instead because I did not know what I was talking about. Now you say the same thing.

You still never answered the question I posed--how SMU's going to get those high quality Jucos to come. I take it you are not satisfied with the efforts described in the article, so I'll give you another chance. How is it going to happen?

(Hint: it isn't going to happen--they'd rather go to UT or OU)

JT,

I think Stallion’s point is that TCU has done a far superior job recruiting JCs than we have because they still have an institutional advantage over us. Look at last years class in particular. We are not talking UT or OU, but TCU.

IMO, the inherent advantage that UT has over TTech….well…we should have that same inherent advantage over TCU.

We don’t, and for no other reason than our flawed ‘model’.

[jtstang]

That glosses over a HUGE ASSUMPTION ie that the kid is focusing only on getting admitted to SMU which is highly doubtful and that he doesn't have more enticing offers from the other 113 Division 1A schools.

You're hilarious--the other day when I pointed out most quality Jucos would rather go to a "more enticing offer" (I think I used UT or OU as an example) instead of SMU you told me to talk about the Boulevard instead because I did not know what I was talking about. Now you say the same thing.

You still never answered the question I posed--how SMU's going to get those high quality Jucos to come. I take it you are not satisfied with the efforts described in the article, so I'll give you another chance. How is it going to happen?

(Hint: it isn't going to happen--they'd rather go to UT or OU)

JT,

I think Stallion’s point is that TCU has done a far superior job recruiting JCs than we have because they still have an institutional advantage over us. Look at last years class in particular. We are not talking UT or OU, but TCU.

IMO, the inherent advantage that UT has over TTech….well…we should have that same inherent advantage over TCU.

We don’t, and for no other reason than our flawed ‘model’.

Still doesn't answer the question--how is SMU going to get the Jucos that TCU or any other good program gets, if the others want them?

[Stallion]

Any SMU fan over 35 would want to puke at the thought that SMU could not compete with TCU. 15-0 from 1972-1986 and 19-2 from 1966-1986 says we can not only compete with but dominate TCU. Over course, JTStang is too young to remember when SMU fielded a Division 1A football program.

[PonySnob]

Any SMU fan over 35 would want to puke at the thought that SMU could not compete with TCU. 15-0 from 1972-1986 and 19-2 from 1966-1986 says we can not only compete with but dominate TCU. Over course, JTStang is too young to remember when SMU fielded a Division 1A football program.

In reality, wasn't SMU fielding more of a professional team during that era? To some degree, TCU was.

[NavyCrimson]

pony snob - don't even go there!

we were simply doing what the rest were doing but there was a lot of bs going on plain & simple!!!

i'll never forget what eric dickerson said when being interviewed by the investigators - 'don't u want to know what a$m, tx & ark was offering?'

it was a vendetta & close the subject!

[Dark Horse]

...That glosses over a HUGE ASSUMPTION ie that the kid is focusing only on getting admitted to SMU which is highly doubtful and that he doesn't have more enticing offers from the other 113 Division 1A schools....

At the end of last season there were 117 IA schools. Did I miss the three drop outs?

I wasn't a math major, but wouldn't 117 - 113 be FOUR dropouts?
Sorry - couldn't resist!

[jtstang]

Any SMU fan over 35 would want to puke at the thought that SMU could not compete with TCU. 15-0 from 1972-1986 and 19-2 from 1966-1986 says we can not only compete with but dominate TCU. Over course, JTStang is too young to remember when SMU fielded a Division 1A football program.

I'm probably almost as old as you. I say almost because I am nowhere as crotchety as you, so I must be younger. But I am a fan over 35. I remember the pre-DP years, and thanks to those teams you touted I was in school when the ultimate penalty was handed down. You can puke if you want to, but the respective administrations being what they are, we cannot compete with TCU for the JUCOs you so desperately desire. Period. We were 0-12 last year and TCU has gone bowling for five years now. An easy choice if you are a quality JUCO. If you think otherwise you're just wrong, Stally.

[Charleston Pony]

davish75: I gather you are much younger than I am (I graduated in 1974). Let's just say the SWC was right in there with the SEC or any other top conference in terms of providing "incentives" for recruits. As an old Aggie friend of mine told me "you guys had to go down because you were paying second teamers too much". It was said only partially in jest. I'm sure a lot of people on this board could tell some great stories of the "good old days" and some of more recent incidents, but what's the point?

The fact is, the big boys of college football moved closer to the establishment of the long discussed "Super Conferences" when the BCS was formed, but it ain't over yet.

Anyone who thinks college recruiting has been cleaned up is living in a fantasy world. There's more at stake now than there ever has been.

[NavyCrimson]

well said - cp!

[davish75]

Actually Charleston, I graduated in 1968. I saw all the SMU home games in the 50s (my father was a SMU professor). My point is that the SWC was a great place pre 60s because it was so comptitive. But SMU, TCU, UT and A&M had the truly storied history. Something happened in the 60s when DRoyal started monopolizing recruiting and TCU and Rice became truly uncompetiive.

The demise of the SWC, of course, is a disaster for SMU. It really galls me that UT and A&M accuse SMU of being a financial leach when they have the built in advantage of such large government subsidies. SMU had great crowds in the 50s and we were largely considered the cities' "team".

Now SMU is in a classic Catch 22 in that we cannot schedule out traditional rivils causing us to not have good crowds and being at a severe recruiting disadvantage.