Chris Sanders

[Guest]

By the way MAC, Chris was and is a confident qb, something that you need to be if you are gonna have success. He may have been a bit cocky, but in my five years there he was the best qb to have in the huddle, and I was in there with him.

[PerunaPunch]

PK,

Bro, there's always a smiley (i.e. smartass) face attached to my posts, whether visible or not.

[stang_a_holic]

Sanders was good QB at SMU. His talents were seen as not fitting into the OC's scheme at the time. Quite honestly I believe that if Sanders had stayed at SMU, SMU would have had lead the team to winning records! He is a good player at what ever level... 1AA or 1A. I question how much football knowledge or just knowledge in general someone has when they make an ridiculous statement like:
"(Sanders)guy's passes looked more like wounded ducks rather than good spirals and when people realized that he stopped playing"
Are you kidding me!! Sanders has a rocket for an arm!. And as for Sanders not reaching his full potential while at SMU...i agree...but it surely wasn't his fault. He would have been a great QB if he had finished his career at SMU.
I agree with Swami...I don't think that the NFL thought that Sanders was a "wobbly" passer.
Sanders has the last laugh here. He is out play PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL, while we chat about what could have been. Like it or not the guy made it to the next level.

[stang_a_holic]

MAC: You are in way over your head on this one.
Swami knows what's up! I was there with you and I couldn't agree more.

[Mac]

Swami,

Your telling me that Sanders was better than "take us home" Ramon Flanigan? Ramon is definitely the best QB SMU has had in the last 8 years. Hell, he owns most of the passing and rushing records. All I know is that Sanders didn't do squat at SMU. Run & Shoot? Nobody runs the run & shoot anymore. Come on? That is about as outdated as the wishbone.

If the guy made it to the NFL more power to him. I really don't see that guy making an impact or even getting to the NFL. The real NFL, not NFL Europe. If the guy as good as you claim he is why didn't he stay at SMU? He probably left because he wanted to go to a D-IAA school so he could pad his stats. The way you talk about him, you make him sound like Cavan threw away a Heisman candidate.

[Vitale]

Comparing Flanigan vs. Sanders:

Flanigan is taller.
Flanigan is faster.
Flanigan was in college for 6 years.
Sanders could read a defense.

Sanders is in the NFL, albeit on the fringes. Flanigan never got a look.

[Boston Pony]

Chris Sanders was a good QB in a bad situation. His style didn't fit into the offense that was run (or attempted). Ramon was about as good a football player as we have had, however his game was much different than Chris'. Never saw UT-C play, however it was probably run & shoot or West Coast, which would/did fit Sanders. 3 step and throw. The West Coast is what many teams are running these days, thus Chris has had some looks. For Ramon, his style of Run & Run isn't popular. For next year, we have different style QBs back, so we should be able to try alot of looks. What does everyone think about offenses? Do we run a FB to block for our TBs? I'd love a spread with a FB in motion.

[Cupcaking]

So Mac... By the way you are talking about this guy, I am guessing you are a big time NFL player.

[Mac]

Not at all. I have never once said I am a football genius, but I stand by my statement that the guy was never that good. Hell, I hope he proves me wrong and becomes a hall of famer in the NFL. I think I have a better shot of winning the lottery, but you never know. I give him a lot of credit for even making it to the NFL Europe but I do not belive the guy was good at SMU.

Maybe he wasn't awarded the opportunity to prove himself but as I remember he lost his job to an underclassman. The games that I went to, which consisted of every home game, his accuracy wasn't that great. Maybe I mispoke when I ridiculed his arm strength but the guy couldn't hit receivers when it counted. I don't care what type of offense a coach runs, when you are losing your first option is to pass. You don't waste time running the ball when you are down by a TD with two minutes on the clock. In 1998 we lost three really close games and he didn't do the things a good QB would have done in those situations. He really couldn't get completion when it counted. Maybe he was hurried and had to throw under pressure but I thought we had a really good o-line back then. Just think if we had won those three games we would have been bowl eligible with a record of 8-4. Some of the blame has to fall on Cavan and play selection but I still remember bad passes and incompletions. That is all I am saying.

Someone step up to the plate and tell me what is so godly about Snacks. I'll listen to whatever anyone has to say.

[ponystudent]

Rumor has it that Sanders left because he started changing plays against Cavan's calls. Maybe Swami could enlighten us on that.

Mac, you said <I>I don't care what type of offense a coach runs, when you are losing your first option is to pass. You don't waste time running the ball when you are down by a TD with two minutes on the clock.</I>
That is not Sanders call. That is the coaches. And if you have seen SMU over the past several years, we did things that made absolutely no sense, like what you described. That is not fair to blame Sanders for the play calling. And the fact that it is rumored he tried to change plays in the huddle makes him look like a better QB.

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Go Ponies!

[jettison]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mac:
<B>Run & Shoot? Nobody runs the run & shoot anymore. Come on? That is about as outdated as the wishbone. </B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hawaii ran and shot over 8 or 9 teams this year, including us.

As for Chris Sanders, I only watched him play once, accompanying my brother to a game when he was recruited... I have to admit I was not impressed myself, for whatever reasons - coaching, play calling, talent, etc. But he did have an arm, and I can't say if he may or may not have improved over the past couple years, because I certainly haven't been watching MTSU games or attending Titan practices.

But seriously, who really cares? Arguing over some guy who is long gone is completely useless in the grand scheme of things.

[Guest]

I agree jettison, but i am not gonna let some idiot frat guy bad mouth a good friend and good football player. sure chris was not the greatest qb to ever play the game, but he was a darn good one. ramon was probably the best athlete i have had the chance to play with, but if chris would have had the opportunity to play under rossley's offense for four years, he would have re-written the record books at smu, especially against opponenets in the wac.

[PerunaPunch]

Yep. Nothin' against Flannigan (he deserves a Purple Heart for each of his knees), but his stats were a product of the Run & Shoot system and starting for so many years.

IMHO, Sanders had a rough time here due to his lack of mobility. Where he got crushed behind a small porous O-line, a guy like Ramon could move around enough to make some plays. Obviously, Sander's shed a few pounds and is now shedding tacklers to boot.

Too bad we didn't discern Chris' talent when he was here. Trash him if you must, but a QB who's good enough to play elite professional ball is certainly good enough to play for the 100-something ranked Mustangs.

And if you truly think that NFL teams will take any spare to run the scout team, I WANNA KNOW WHERE TO SIGN UP!!!!

[PK]

From what I hear, PerunaPunch, you're going to have to shed just a few more pounds.

[PerunaPunch]

Aww, PK that hurts. I like to think of myself as a prototypical Ryan Leaf style QB -- a big guy who can't throw.