Class?....You mean I gotta go to class?

by **2112** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:35 am

Of the 56 teams in bowls, Texas was next to last, only BYU was worse.
The Mormans leaving for mission work, is the only reason Texas didn't finish dead last. But Texas does have a great team.

by **EastStang** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:18 pm

Even the Aggie football players had a higher graduation rate than the Longhorns. I guess we'll have to change all those dumb aggie jokes into dumb Longhorn jokes. How do you drive a Longhorn football player crazy? You know the drill.

by **mr. pony** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:57 pm

UT graduates only 1/3 of its football players?

Never saw that in the DMN. Saw the overall story, but the part about UT was left out. I looked for it at the time.

Must be real proud, Longhorn 68.

by **LonghornFan68** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:45 pm

mr. pony wrote:UT graduates only 1/3 of its football players?

Never saw that in the DMN. Saw the overall story, but the part about UT was left out. I looked for it at the time.

Must be real proud, Longhorn 68.

Actually, I could kinda care less. It has absolutely no bearing on my life whatsoever. I don't play petty comparison games to make myself feel better for things that are completely beyond my control. But if that helps you sleep better at night, then be my guest.

by **abezontar** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:59 pm

then you must not follow sports at all, cause that is all it is, a petty comparison game over which you have no control.

by **LonghornFan68** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:01 pm

abezontar wrote:then you must not follow sports at all, cause that is all it is, a petty comparison game over which you have no control.

That is about the dumbest conclusion anyone could have reached based on my statement.

by **abezontar** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:21 pm

oh no! The guy whining about how other people are whining just called what I said stupid....waaaaaaaah!!!

by **ALEX LIFESON** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:59 pm

i hate to see longhornfan68 get upset, he comes to our games!

by **LonghornFan68** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:13 pm

ALEX LIFESON wrote:i hate to see longhornfan68 get upset, he comes to our games!

Who's upset? I'm chuckling my [deleted] off at the asininity of this thread.

by **mr. pony** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:41 pm

Hey, Longhorn,

'Petty comparison games'?, 'no control'?

Your attitude toward UT's miserable graduation rate makes no sense whatsoever. If college sports aren't about 'comparison games', then what the hell are they? And you'd have some 'control' over it, if enough of you T-sippers gave a damn about the situation.

But, you're one cool dude, man.

by **LonghornFan68** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:03 pm

mr. pony wrote:Hey, Longhorn,

'Petty comparison games'?, 'no control'?

Your attitude toward UT's miserable graduation rate makes no sense whatsoever. If college sports aren't about 'comparison games', then what the hell are they? And you'd have some 'control' over it, if enough of you T-sippers gave a damn about the situation.

But, you're one cool dude, man.

I guess you make a point, but I have a budding career and cache of friends and family that are more important to me than the graduation rate of the athletes of my alma mater. I guess I just don't let myself get wrapped up in the idea that somehow this issue is going to affect me dramatically. Is it embarrasing? Sure. Do I wish the statistic was more aligned with my perception of the quality of my University of choice? I'd be insensitive if I didn't. But it's just not the focus of my attitude toward towards my athletic program. Does, that say something about me? I'm sure it does, but I'd be damned if I could tell you what it says.

by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:11 am

re: "guess you make a point, but I have a budding career and cache of friends and family that are more important to me than the graduation rate of the athletes of my alma mater. I guess I just don't let myself get wrapped up in the idea that somehow this issue is going to affect me dramatically. Is it embarrasing? Sure. Do I wish the statistic was more aligned with my perception of the quality of my University of choice? I'd be insensitive if I didn't. But it's just not the focus of my attitude toward towards my athletic program. Does, that say something about me? I'm sure it does, but I'd be damned if I could tell you what it says."

Finally!.....An honest logical answer.....And I can respect that.

by **mrydel** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:21 am

I love my school. I love my degree. I am proud to have my diploma from SMU. BUT would we even be discussing this subject if SMU were going to the Rose Bowl to play for the National Championship? Would we be discussing this if SMU were going to the New Orleans Bowl to play Arkansas State? I think not.

by **EastStang** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:19 am

I think this thread speaks to the issue of means to an end and where the line should be drawn when recruiting athletes. Do we recruit athletes who will help us win regardless of academic ability? Or do we want players who will go to SMU, get a degree and be successful in life? Or somewhere in between? UT obviously has taken the first approach. We have taken the second approach. Somewhere there is a happy medium point where we admit enough players to win, but still have plenty graduate and move on to greater things. My view is that out of 80 scholarship athletes, 56 should graduate in 5 years. That's roughly 6 players in each class who would be termed "academic risks". The problem is that for A&M, there are 40 academic risks and for UT 56 academic risks. They can go two deep with virtually anyone they want. We can't. That is a difference that makes it very hard to beat them.

by **mr. pony** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:53 pm

myrdel,

If SMU were going to ANY bowl with a 30% graduation rate, it would be headline news in Big D. There would be much hand-wringing.

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