Vince Young Turning Pro

by **Danny Noonan** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:00 am

LonghornFan68 wrote:
PonyPride wrote:Most media types I've read and talked to say that if Young had chosen to come back, Texas would have been a nearly unanimous choice for the preseason No. 1 team in the nation.

Now that he's leaving, where does Texas start in the preseason national rankings?

I thought the philosophy was that until you are beaten, you are still #1. Am I wrong?

The good thing about it is that you play a really good OSU early. You'll either win and affirm that you should be #1, or lose and drop some.

by **mrydel** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:03 am

The PonyGrad wrote:I can not see how VY can improve his draft position by staying. Seems like the only decision.

One of the TV pundits stated that snce UT did not offer the same Ballroom Dancing course that Matt Leinert took at USC in his final year that it was time for Vince to move on.

by **PonyFan** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:11 am

So you're saying he wasn't inclined to take nuclear physics, international governmental policy, law ethics, and senior-level classes on Chaucer and oboe playing?
Shocking.

by **LonghornFan68** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:21 am

PonyFan wrote:So you're saying he wasn't inclined to take nuclear physics, international governmental policy, law ethics, and senior-level classes on Chaucer and oboe playing?
Shocking.

While cheeky, Vince did state that part of his plan is to finish his degree, which is admirable.

by **PonyFan** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:22 am

I know, I was kidding.
He seems like a very impressive guy. Good luck to him.

by **mrydel** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:26 am

What's shocking is that Leinert would be allowed to take Ballroom Dancing in order to play another year. The impression I got was that it was the only class he took this semester.

by **ponyte** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:40 am

mrydel wrote:What's shocking is that Leinert would be allowed to take Ballroom Dancing in order to play another year. The impression I got was that it was the only class he took this semester.

Unles NCAA rules have changed, to be eligible to play, one must take a 'full' academic load. There maybe ways to complete an academic load without class (internships and the like). I would b e surprised if Leinhart didn't have a full academic load (as defined by the NCAA). But it is reassuring to know that he only needed one, just one, class to complete his degree. Seems like he was ahead of the curve if that is courrect.

by **mrydel** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:47 am

ponyte wrote:
mrydel wrote:What's shocking is that Leinert would be allowed to take Ballroom Dancing in order to play another year. The impression I got was that it was the only class he took this semester.

Unles NCAA rules have changed, to be eligible to play, one must take a 'full' academic load. There maybe ways to complete an academic load without class (internships and the like). I would b e surprised if Leinhart didn't have a full academic load (as defined by the NCAA). But it is reassuring to know that he only needed one, just one, class to complete his degree. Seems like he was ahead of the curve if that is courrect.

When I was in school you needed to pass at least 9 hours to qualify. What I do not know is when they verify the hours. It could be that they confirm whether or not you passed the hours after the semester which, if the case, would mean that Leinert is no longer eligible.

by **SMU Football Blog** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:48 am

If it were up to me, you would have to be a full-time student to play.

by **Webmaster** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:52 am

If an athlete has graduated, or qualified for graduation (which Leinart has), I believe that athlete merely must be enrolled in something. My understanding is that athletes with that academic standing can slide through a semester with one class, whereas all others must take a full course load.

by **Danny Noonan** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:53 am

ponyte wrote:
mrydel wrote:What's shocking is that Leinert would be allowed to take Ballroom Dancing in order to play another year. The impression I got was that it was the only class he took this semester.

Unles NCAA rules have changed, to be eligible to play, one must take a 'full' academic load. There maybe ways to complete an academic load without class (internships and the like). I would b e surprised if Leinhart didn't have a full academic load (as defined by the NCAA). But it is reassuring to know that he only needed one, just one, class to complete his degree. Seems like he was ahead of the curve if that is courrect.

He was a fifth year senior who probably also took summer school.

Peyton Manning graduated in three years.

Everything I've heard is that VY was on pace to finish next fall. He can come back anytime and do that.

And anyone who doesn't think SMU has its versions of Ball Room Dancing is crazy. I took probably 15 hours of crap like that.

by **LonghornFan68** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:55 am

SMU Football Blog wrote:If it were up to me, you would have to be a full-time student to play.

Is it not true, though, that if you're a rs freshman and you complete your degree in 4 years, yet you still have a year of eligibility, that you can compete without having to take classes?

by **mrydel** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:02 pm

Webmaster wrote:If an athlete has graduated, or qualified for graduation (which Leinart has), I believe that athlete merely must be enrolled in something. My understanding is that athletes with that academic standing can slide through a semester with one class, whereas all others must take a full course load.

That makes sense. Most athletes I have seen in this position are taking graduate degree courses, but I guess if you know that your next job will be Football Team USA for $25,000,000/year, then a couse in Ballroom dancing will be appropriate so you can be on "Dancing with the Stars" during the off season.

by **Corso** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:07 pm

I think that's accurate, but that seems like a loophole that needs to be closed. Players like Leinart can spend basically the whole day, every day, working on football (lifting, training room, film, etc.), if they want, while guys like D.D. Lee work toward their master's degree with a full course load. Anyone else see anything wrong with this?
Seems to take the "student" part out of student-athlete. Leinart basically was an unpaid pro this year.

by **LonghornFan68** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:23 pm

Corso wrote:I think that's accurate, but that seems like a loophole that needs to be closed. Players like Leinart can spend basically the whole day, every day, working on football (lifting, training room, film, etc.), if they want, while guys like D.D. Lee work toward their master's degree with a full course load. Anyone else see anything wrong with this?
Seems to take the "student" part out of student-athlete. Leinart basically was an unpaid pro this year.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I think it's a fair trade - a four-year degree in exchange for 4 years of eligibility. What's wrong with that?

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