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by mrydel » Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:34 am
couch 'em wrote:PK wrote:Mustangs35SMU wrote:Great article..but 35 years seems to soon.
It will be way past my permanent bed time. 
Keep holding on - it shouldn't be TOO long before they can just clone your body and transplant your mind.
I would much rather have them clone my mind and transplant my body.
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by The Stampede » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:40 am
One thing the author did get right was about the city of Dallas having bandwagon fans. Once we start winning again, hopefully they will jump on our bandwagon.
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by abezontar » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:47 am
They will only jump on the bandwagon if they are aware that we exist, and between our marketing department, and our "local" paper, no one is ever going to know we exist. Just ask DBU's baseball team.
The donkey's name is Kiki.
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by Danny Noonan » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:03 am
There are probably five times more UT alums in Dallas than SMU alums + students.
That's why they get coverage.
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by KnuckleStang » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:36 am
True. But this writer criticizes not only the media, but the nature of Dallas "FANS" in general, and I agree with him. Excellent article. (Sorry LHF)
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by PonyFan » Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:08 am
LonghornFan68 wrote: .... First, using anything about Florida as a state to compare to Texas is just absurd....
Not true. Texas and Florida (with the possible inclusion of California) are the biggest front-running states in the country. The difference is that in Florida even winning doesn't draw fans sometimes (see the Marlins playing to a less-than-full stadium on their way to the World Series). In Texas, if Huleshoe High won the mythical national championship that Southlake Carroll seems to own, you'd see Muleshoe T-shirts popping up all over the place. Remember, in 1989, there were 30,000-40,000 empty seats each week in Texas Stadium when the Cowboys were getting pounded every week. Now every Cowboys fan I meet insists "I was there even when we were losing."
What this UT title proved is that when you get a truly Herculean performance like the year they got from Sir Vincent, a single player can go a long way toward carrying a team by himself .... not to the extent that Jordan used or Kobe often does now in basketball. But Sir Vincent was super-human in the Rose Bowl, and for much of the year (except for the Aggie game, where his offensive line got locked in the buffet room and allowed the A&M defensive line to beat the hell out of him, almost pulling the upset). They have too many stars on that team to think they'll fall too far -- most of us could hand the ball to Jamaal Charles 30 times and then take the credit for whipping Texas State or Baylor or Kansas or whoever they beat up on. And when they go 9-2 next year and roll Southern Miss or Michigan State in the Canteloupe Bowl, the cries that Mack can't coach will resurface, and it won't be nearly as hip to be a Texas fan.
Whitt hit the nail on the head with his article. They have a lot of loyal fans, but they also have a ton of bandwagon jumpers.
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by Blunt Pony » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:03 pm
LonghornFan68 wrote:MustangSally wrote:Maybe it was because we had more "parity" here in Florida, or because it seemed so frequent that it wasn't a big deal, but the entire state never got behind any of the national champs here like they are currently doing in Texas. FSU in 93 and 99, UF in 96, Miami most recently in 2000, when they won, their fans were happy, the rest pouted. Sure there were some bandwagon fans here or there, but never another city's entire newspaper. And especially not a city with another Div 1a school IN TOWN.
The Palm Beach Post is great, they tout the winners when it's appropriate, but they don't just lock onto UF year round saying "well, they DO have the most alumni in our town" or "they ARE the flagship school, they represent the whole state". The last 3-5 years they have given pretty equal coverage to UM, FSU, UF, and FAU. And for FAU, that is great, because they are nowhere NEAR the level of the other 3, yet the paper gets behind them as the hometown team in addition to the big 3.
First, using anything about Florida as a state to compare to Texas is just absurd. Apples and oranges. Second, the state of Texas had not seen a college football National Championship in 35 - the last time UT won it. It's reasonable to assume that a few people all over the state got excited to see it brought back to the home state. Besides, if the article had attempted to make good points (which it did) without being so whiny about it, I may have taken it more seriously. His point about the Statesman not likely to print something congratulating SMU on a NC is just speculative, opinionated crap. I tend to think that the AAS would print a pretty big frickin' article if someone else in Texas won it all. I'd be excited because those are Texas kids and chances are, someone I know knows someone who helped win, and I'd be happy for them. But then again, I'm not a selfish baby.
So you are telling me that you will celebrate a Texas Tech or Texas A&M national championship? C'mon Longhorn, not everything is about jealousy, it is about rooting for your team and not their rivals. You think UCLA was out celebrating USC's championship last year? They are from the same city, but trust me they are not pulling for each other except for strength of schedule reasons.
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by LonghornFan68 » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:08 pm
So you are telling me that you will celebrate a Texas Tech or Texas A&M national championship? C'mon Longhorn, not everything is about jealousy, it is about rooting for your team and not their rivals. You think UCLA was out celebrating USC's championship last year? They are from the same city, but trust me they are not pulling for each other except for strength of schedule reasons.
Probably, simply because I have a lot of friends from both schools and I'd be happy for them (any excuse to party is a good excuse). I'd be jealous, but happy at the same time. I certainly wouldn't [deleted] if their team got the coverage they deserved for winning it all.
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by Blunt Pony » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:16 pm
I agree with the coverage deal. Got to do what sells papers. I am all for capitalism. I have just never understood the whole root for your state thing. Maybe that is unique to Texas and I am just a transplant.
I have a lot of respect for Texas (especially Young). He made a beleiver out of an admitted skeptic. Enjoy your time. Championships are rare!
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by LonghornFan68 » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:20 pm
Blunt Pony wrote:I agree with the coverage deal. Got to do what sells papers. I am all for capitalism. I have just never understood the whole root for your state thing. Maybe that is unique to Texas and I am just a transplant.
I have a lot of respect for Texas (especially Young). He made a beleiver out of an admitted skeptic. Enjoy your time. Championships are rare!
Thanks! Someone around here besides me gets it.
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by Danny Noonan » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:02 pm
Blunt Pony wrote:So you are telling me that you will celebrate a Texas Tech or Texas A&M national championship? C'mon Longhorn, not everything is about jealousy, it is about rooting for your team and not their rivals. You think UCLA was out celebrating USC's championship last year? They are from the same city, but trust me they are not pulling for each other except for strength of schedule reasons.
I seriously doubt that any Tech or A&M fans are now Texas fans. However, I do believe there is a LARGE portion of the population that has no loyalty to any school. Almost like swing voters come election time. They're football fans that either didn't go to college or went to a small school. There's nothing wrong with this group of fans. They're exactly the type of fans that we go after to sell tickets to.
We all do it. Right now I'm trying to decide who I'm going to root for to win the Super Bowl. Normally I'm a Cowboys fan, but I like football and want to have a team to root for. When I was growing up out of state, I had no allegience to any one college team. I usually picked one that I liked that year, or followed a player that i liked. I imagine I would still do the same today if I never went to SMU.
How many Chicago Bulls fans were there when Michael Jordan played? Tons. I was one. Because I really liked to watch him play and succeed. I think its the same type of thing with Vince Young and Texas.
Like I said, though, I would be very suprised if there is a single real A&M or Tech fan that went out and bought Longhorn gear after the Rose Bowl.
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by covok48 » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:14 pm
Very good post above btw.
The article I think was right on about Dallas being a bandwagon city. Now I'll admit I'm thrilled that UT won a championship and brought the trophy back to Texas where it belongs, however to adopt UT as the "hometeam" (with no aknowledgement that there are two pretty good DI schools in the metroplex), plaster the trophy and VY's mug on the front page for days and days before and
long after the event is bizzare to say the least. I mean if this really sold papers, wouldn't the DMN's circulation increase? just a thought.
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Didn't he live in Houston and go to Madison?[/b]
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by Danny Noonan » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:54 pm
Yes he's from Houston. I think that was meant as sarcasm.
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by Blunt Pony » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:07 pm
Danny Noonan wrote:Blunt Pony wrote:So you are telling me that you will celebrate a Texas Tech or Texas A&M national championship? C'mon Longhorn, not everything is about jealousy, it is about rooting for your team and not their rivals. You think UCLA was out celebrating USC's championship last year? They are from the same city, but trust me they are not pulling for each other except for strength of schedule reasons.
I seriously doubt that any Tech or A&M fans are now Texas fans. However, I do believe there is a LARGE portion of the population that has no loyalty to any school. Almost like swing voters come election time. They're football fans that either didn't go to college or went to a small school. There's nothing wrong with this group of fans. They're exactly the type of fans that we go after to sell tickets to. We all do it. Right now I'm trying to decide who I'm going to root for to win the Super Bowl. Normally I'm a Cowboys fan, but I like football and want to have a team to root for. When I was growing up out of state, I had no allegience to any one college team. I usually picked one that I liked that year, or followed a player that i liked. I imagine I would still do the same today if I never went to SMU. How many Chicago Bulls fans were there when Michael Jordan played? Tons. I was one. Because I really liked to watch him play and succeed. I think its the same type of thing with Vince Young and Texas. Like I said, though, I would be very suprised if there is a single real A&M or Tech fan that went out and bought Longhorn gear after the Rose Bowl.
Now I do agree with much of what you said. I think a good example is the adopted home team. As a fan of sport, if I were to live in Austin I would want to go to Texas games because I am a fan of college athletics. I am sure that I would grow into a fan not only of the competition, but also a fan of UT. On the other hand, I do not root more for a team to fail than the Cowboys although you cannot help but follow them living in Dallas.
I wish more people in the Park Cities and Dallas who are fans of college athletics would adopt SMU as their family entertainment. It is cheap and it is fun and you do not have to be a graduate to enjoy athletics.
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by PK » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:34 pm
covok48 wrote:"P.S. One point though: Vince Young, raised on the tough streets of Oak Cliff, survives to star at Carter High School"
Didn't he live in Houston and go to Madison?[/b]
The point was that if the statement you questioned above had been the true story of his history, all the DMN hoopla would have made more sense.
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