TCU Example

[Stallion]

OK this the one of the stupidist most inaccurate posts ever. Both Texas and USC start about 4-5 players who were the No. 1 rated players at their positions in the enitre United States. And he wants to use them as examples of how recruiting DOESN'T Matter?

[SMU Football Blog]

the typical mistake of just about all casual fans-especially the ones on this board. The effect of good recruiting years rarely are fully observable for at least 3 but usually 4 years. For example, the 1995 team was made up predominately of players recruited from 1990 and 1991 and also 1992. And starting with Fran TCU has regularly beaten SMU like a drum in recruiting accourding to ALL sources except for one year

1. I ain't no casual fan;
2. It ain't no mistake.

TCU's recruiting was not substantially better from 94-97 than it was from 93-96, so that there was a five game difference in the regular season from 1997 to 1998. It ain't ALL recruiting. It is a lot recruiting. It is also something else.

[Stallion]

go play with yourself

[McClown27]

If anyone on this board needs proof that recruiting wins over coaching acumen, just look at FSU, Tennessee, and Georgia. Bowden and Richt are not in the same league as people like Chan Gailey and Al Groh, and yet, look who winds up in BCS bowls consistently.

Richt probably should have been fired after the WVU game. Talent wise, WVU does not deserve to be on the same field. Yet, what was it, 28-0. I don't care about the comeback, if you a month to prepare for someone, you can't come out like that.

[SMU Football Blog]

go play with yourself

I think that was one of Douglas' lines to Lincoln at the last debate.

[Stallion]

appropriate since Douglas won the election

[jtstang]

go play with yourself

Please, think of the children. And of course, you are scaring off the recruits reading this board who would otherwise want to attend SMU but for the masturbatory tendancies of their alumni base.

[SMU Football Blog]

Well, I wasn't going to reverse it. I have a Lincoln portrait in my house and in my office and I am in the middle of "Team of Rivals." And of course, Douglas lost the presidency to Lincoln in 1860.

And I have a five dollar bill in my pocket, too!!

P.S. Go play with Mike Cavan.

[me@smu]

OK this the one of the stupidist most inaccurate posts ever. Both Texas and USC start about 4-5 players who were the No. 1 rated players at their positions in the enitre United States. And he wants to use them as examples of how recruiting DOESN'T Matter?

Stallion...would love to get a list of starters that were #1 in the nation for USC. I am counting three starters. Oh and UT can only find 2...VY and Blalock. Which gives them the same amount as FSU and one less than starts for Miami.

Point of this whole thing is that recruiting helps but it comes down to coaching.

[Stallion]

Vince Young No. 1 QB-No. 1 Rated Player in America
Justin Blaylock No. 1 LM
Rodrique Wright one of the two highest rated DTs
Franklin Okam one of the two higest rated DT

Reggie Bush No. 1 rated RB-No. 2 Rated Player in America
Keith Rivers No. 1 rated LB
Dwayne Jarrett one of two highest rated Wrs
Taitusu Luitui THE highest rated player among ALL non-High School School Players at ANY position
Scott Ware the SECOND Highest rated player among ALL-Non-High School Players at ANY position


UT had the No. 1 class in the Nation in 2002(6 5 stars). USC has had the strongest recruiting 4 year period in the recorded history of High School Recruiting(19 5 stars from 2003-2006). Of course, USC QB Matt Lienart was a Parade All-American in the 2001 class-not sure where he was rated Nationall but should be among the Top 3 or at least 5. Jonathan Scott and Quan Crosby were other 2001 players who would have been ranked at the Top of their positions. Of course there are numerous others who were highly rated too. These were these best recruited teams in America with the most talent by far in America. Just how many points does a USC or Texas get anyway for recruiting a Vince Young, a Reggie Bush, a Rodrique Wright, a Dwayne Jarrett. Now want to go a little further SMU who has never recruited well doesn't even have a graduate in the NFL. Coincidence?

[Frog2003]

Oh please TCU acts like its a miracle that they even win a game when in reality they have had among the top non-BCS classes just about every year for 10 years. Its not so much the keen evaluation skills of the TCU coaches (although they have had their discoveries just like every other coach)-TCU's real success has been just beating the heck out of their competition in recruiting. Its called getting the job done and out working your competitors.

I never said they didn't recruit well. I said that outside of the very top recruits, its just as much about your coach's ability to evaluate who fits their program. TCU's coaches have been able to evaluate who they want, and then they've been able to go out and get them.

Rivals even admits that who offers a recruit has alot to do with their ranking. When you keep winning, its obvious that you can get good players, and the rankings reflect that.

Anyone who bases recruiting success completely off the Rivals rankings is missing the whole picture. Rivals is good because it gives you an insight into who is being recruited, but thats it. At the end of the day, its about the coaches identifying who they want (correctly or incorrectly) and whether or not they're able to get them.

[ponyplayer]

go play with yourself

Please, think of the children. And of course, you are scaring off the recruits reading this board who would otherwise want to attend SMU but for the masturbatory tendancies of their alumni base.

slutty horses and now this.......what is this coming too.......................

[crazy horse]

So if SMU wins the next 3 against TCU, posts winning seasons and bowl trips through 2010, does that mean that Bennett and his staff will deserve the majority if not all of the credit?

Especially since Rivals/Scout both say our classes present, past and presumably future stink?

Just curious...

[ponyplayer]

So if SMU wins the next 3 against TCU, posts winning seasons and bowl trips through 2010, does that mean that Bennett and his staff will deserve the majority if not all of the credit?

Especially since Rivals/Scout both say our classes present, past and presumably future stink?

Just curious...

Depends if you are right brain or left brain..................................the coaching aspect depends on certain percentages of how talented the recruits pan out in each class and then how talented the coaching pans out for each team.................................... for the sake of me i think it goes hand -in- hand................

[PonySnob]

So if SMU wins the next 3 against TCU, posts winning seasons and bowl trips through 2010,

When was the last time SMU put together 5 winning seasons in a row? With one winning season since 1989, its hard to imagine that happening.