Pro Day

[SoCal_Pony]

PK,

By any conceivable performance matrix, SMU athletics (FB/BB) has been a complete and abject failure over the past 20 years. Stallion brought up yet another interesting fact, our lack of representation at the professional level. I will not debate semantics with you will stand by my statement.

LT in one drive has contributed more to the NFL than the sum of all SMU players over the past 20 years....You or anyone else want to debate this???????

That statement alone translates to FAILURE!!!!, no matter how you or Blog want to spin it.

And BTW, your statement about the need for improved facilities, i.e. Moody, seems pretty obvious until you consider our FB team and Ford Stadium. It hasn’t seemed to help them much, has it? I told Turner while Ford was being constructed that until he changed our Model it would simply be a nice facility enjoyed by 7,000 on a sunny day. ECU last season proved my point.

[abezontar]

You might want to reread through the thread, I don't believe anyone has said that you or Stallion are wrong about the state of the program, just that it seems as though Stallion does nothing but talk about how admittedly bad we are on PF.com. I do know that unlike your last post I have never seen him reveal anything that he has done, or would like us to do to correct the problem. As I understand what is being said, this is what people are upset over. It is one thing to point out we have a problem, convince people of the problem, and offer fans a workable solution that they can affect to fix the problem; it is entirely another to spend years on a message board doing nothing but pointing out the problem. I would venture to say that Stallion consistently does the latter.

[CA Mustang]

I didn't check the rosters of all 30 NFL teams, but Keylon Kincade is at least one. http://www.nfl.com/teams/rosters/DAL

[friarwolf]

Thanks for the info SMUWINS. I don't think I am going to bring up pro day again.................

[Pony_Fan]

What do we all want - for SMU to be successful.

I agree, Stallion's rants don't do any good. I would imagine the readers on here are about 85% the same every day - what good does that do for us to read the same crap every week about us being idiots and the model - Ive read it a thousand times.

I get extremely frustrated being a SMU fan year after year with hardly any positives or even close to winning the conference. Yes, we want the truth with regards to recruiting, admissions, transfers, etc. We'd like for the administration to communicate with us and find solutions to our 20 year failure model and fan apathy. They aren't doing this at all. They are failing in many, many areas.

Especially when we get a new AD got in here, we need to get our voices heard, but the AD isn't going to be reading this board about model [deleted] everyday.

[friarwolf]

Fellas, the faculty senate has the athletic program by the gonads. We ceded that to them with our little "excuse me" back in the 80's. Unfortunately, every time it looks like we have put the past behind us enough to have the administration challenge our faculty friends, we have something come up like the assistant coach in football or the item that is currently hovering over the basketball program. And the faculty senate runs with it and crams it down our throats.

The other issue we face is the growing reputation of our school. The average sat score is right there with ut and ahead of a&m. Record applications, growing academic recognition - let's face it - our little university is becoming a hot spot. Bush library? What does all this mean? It means the faculty senate is going to make sure all of this positive stuff does not get tainted by athletic scandal.

So, if you were Turner, would you risk all out war with the faculty and derail all the other good things happening to try to get relaxed standards? Tough question.

[SMU Football Blog]

Between the Board of Trustees and Turner, they can do anything they want. They choose to give the faculty ridiculous amounts of input into this. Turner can get anything changed if he wants. And the truth is, folks, he has the incentive to get it done because he wants SMU football quasi-successful before the centennial campaign goes into overdrive.

Now, as to the matter at hand, the issue is getting them into school and not graduating them. Isn't that what Stallion complains about constantly? The ability or inability to keep a kid in school is more of a coaching issue than anything else. So if a guy gets into school; then leaves for whatever reason and transfers and puts up great numbers and ends up getting drafted on Day 1 of the NFL draft and ends up starting more than 10 games for an NFL team , I think that is a reflection on the Coach more than the University.

[Stallion]

Let's have at least a dose of intellectual honesty-(?)I haven't made any recommendations concerning the changes that need to take place before SMU can be competitive with their natural and traditional rivals? I have painstakingly pointed out and factually supported each and every change that needs to take place, that has taken place and will take place at least 5-7 years before 95% of you on the board even knew the problems existed. Now if you'd like me to start yet another discussion concerning what remains wrong with the Model...... Damn! the term as framework and critical device to discuss particular weaknesses and obstacles to the success of the program was invented by me. And I've picked apart just about every inch of it that differs from the successful programs that are our natural and traditional rivals.

[ponydawg]

HOORAY For Stallion!
Now just tell the RIGHT people.

If you are as smart as you tell everyone you are then you would have figured out by now that posting on P-Fans repeating what is wrong is not going to change ANYTHING....it might change the inner glow of the sunshiner, but it is not going to change anything for the program.

Again if you are so smart to point out what is wrong 5-7 years before anyone else knows there is a problem, then why don't you do something about it.....Once again, I am sure if you tried to do something most everyone on the board would support and try to help......
But if your only goal is to make the Sunshiner cry then keep up the good work

[abezontar]

I have to apologize I don't often make myself properly understood. I'm not saying that you ahven't explained what needs to be changed to the model. What I am saying is that you have never explained what we as fans can do to get the model changed. Should we all stop giving to the Mustang Club? Should we march on Perkins Administration Building? What? The frustrating thing is that I have seen numerous people ask you, including myself what we as individuals should do to get progress to speed up, or start at all, and every time you have ignored them.

[Mickey]

Stallion is using the best forum to tell the most people of the problem. Unfortunately nothing can be done or is being done beacuse the ones that can make the changes don't care. I seriously doubt if SMU really wants to be competitive in D-1. Copeland was quoted as saying that are goal is to win 5 or 6 games a year in football. that says it all!

[SMU Football Blog]

As long as we are being intelectually honest, since most of the issues still in place relate to transfers (both Div. 1-A and Junior College), why don't you explain how SMU fixes that in one easy step? Or three? Or five?

The way I see it, there are two ways of fixing the problem: (i) adding to the curriculum; and (ii) liberalizing the transfer policies. To the extent we can liberalize the transfer policies, we absolutely should. But at some point, you have done all you can without violating NCAA rules; it isn't as if a JuCo that takes kineseology can enroll here and someone at SMU can say, "We don't offer kineseology, but that's OK, we'll just call it biology." That obviously, would violate NCAA rules. The other way of fixing the problem is to add to the curriculum; which requires new money or cutting existing programs.

So, if we are being intelectually honest, we should all recognize the inherent difficulties in fixing what you are [deleted] about. **sarcasm follows** I vote we get rid of the Math department so we can fund an education department with kineaseology and sports management degrees. Does anybody really use math in their everyday life? Seriously. Buy a calculator.**sarcasm ends**

Now, as for late-qualifiers and accepting any qualified score as opposed to averaging them (if we even still have that policy, which I am not sure we do) and eliminating non-NCAA core requirements, I am all for those changes. Those are easy to fix. But that increases the pool that SMU can recruit from from what 85% of available recruits to 90%? Tuition hinders the acceptance of partial and nonqualifiers more than anything else and UT, A&M, TT, Baylor and TCU can't recruit them anyway by their conference rules. So, UNT gets some pretty talented and dumb kids that could never get into SMU or nearly anywhere else.

And again, if we are being intelectually honest, we should all recognize the differences between us and our natural and traditional rivals. Between the combined recruiting classes of UT, A&M, TT, Baylor, TCU, that is more than 100 kids. What percentage of those kids do you think could not have gotten into SMU under the current recruiting restrictions? 5% or 10% at most. The truth is the biggest hindrance to SMU recruiting today is past performance. That wasn't always true, but it is today.

[Corso]

OK, since this thread is about Pro Day (remember?) .... how did our guys do? I heard Alvin Nnabuife ran extremely well, but I don't know how well. And someone told me that Jamey Harper opened a few eyes, but the question is .... how wide?

[PK]

And BTW, your statement about the need for improved facilities, i.e. Moody, seems pretty obvious until you consider our FB team and Ford Stadium. It hasn’t seemed to help them much, has it? I told Turner while Ford was being constructed that until he changed our Model it would simply be a nice facility enjoyed by 7,000 on a sunny day. ECU last season proved my point.

Not to be argumentative SoCal (since we don't do things like that here), but I'm confused. If I'm understanding the posts I read here, having great Bball facilities and an experienced successful D1 Bball coach would pretty much take care of our Bball failure problems. That all takes M-O-N-E-Y, which our alums like Stallion don't seem interested in contributing. What am I missing here. Are these posters just full of [deleted] or what?

[ponydawg]

179-ish days until kick off.