Beat Tech!!!! Go get em smu!!!

[RHS]

Defense 1: We've had the score run up on us, too! We got better! Cute, but (a) you complained then; (b) both games mentioned involved Tech being unable to beat second and third teamers at the end of the game. Tech had its starting lineup in the game.

Not true and I guess you didn't major in History as you seem to be all over the place in remembering things.

No, we didn't complain about the lompsided score. We complained about our D being unable to make a tackle. We put our scrubs in the 2000 Nebraska game before Nebraska did. In 2004, the final 3 INTs were by backups. The final TD was a 6 yard run up the middle after a Nebraska penalty gave us 1st and goal on the 6, after a backup LB returned a INT to the 12. The final 3 Tech plays on offense were a short pass to a walkon, an incompletion to a walkon, and a short pass to a true FR for a quick 3 and out. If you remember, we went to Lincoln in 2001 and played a much better game and if Carlos Francis came down with a foot in bounds, or if the NCAA had the same rule as the NFL or Texas HS football, that game would have been tied late in the fourth.

The 4th down stuff of UT's backup RB was by a third string DE. When OU beat us 55-25 in 2003, they kept their starting O in the entire game.

The Kansas game you reference was also one the RB was having a good day. His 71 yard run was the difference maker. That run didn't take too much time off the clock. When you have a RB who busted a big play like that in a close game, you go back to the well. We didn't run Henderson to run out the clock. We ran Henderson to win the game.

Against SHSU, the starting O played 1 play the second half. Against Indiana State, the starting O didn't play any of the second half. I was at that game and the entire second string O started the second half. So in both those games, our starting O played one second half play.

I do admit rushing players on the field to try and score against SMU in 2004 was bad, but SMU's D stopped it. The focus should be how SMU's D rose to the occassion rather than needs pity against big bad Tech. I think you need to shift your focus and give your players more credit.

Leach wants his O to score on every drive, regardless the opponent. It is just the way he is and he doesn't know any other way. I know that makes him classless to a lot of fans and makes us classless because we grew to love it. If Leach was your coach, you would be in the exact same mind set. It took me a while to get used to him, but I hope he stays forever now. He grows on you and if he coached SMU, you would be just like Red Raiders now.

[EastStang]

No, we wouldn't because we wouldn't hire a classless act like Leach. SMU now focus' on character in its coaches. We don't want to go back to the bad old days of the death penalty. The unfortunate side to that one is that perhaps our coaches are too gentlemenly.

[WreckEm16]

The unfortunate side to that one is that perhaps our coaches are too gentlemenly.

If you want to get mad at Leach for trying to score in the 4th quarter, fine. That's understandable, especially since the game was over anyway. I also get that you don't care whether or not our qb gets any extra practice because he's our qb, not yours.

What I don't understand is defending your coach for trying to run across the field and start a fight in front of a 100 or so 18-22 year old men. "Too gentlemenly?" You can't be serious.

The truth of it is he got his pride hurt and responded in an extraordinarly immature (and reckless) way. No amount of "disrespect" shown by Leach for trying to continue scoring late in the game could possibly compare to the real damage that could have ensued from your coach acting like a spoiled 12 year old that got knocked over on the playground.

I suppose the real question is which is worse? Potentially embarrasing someone by trying to score late in a game, or charging across a field and starting a fight because you almost lost by 17 instead of 10?

I have enough faith in those associated with SMU to at least know privately the correct answer here.

[ALEX LIFESON]

"late in the game"?????? how about the final play of the game, after taking a time out? And Tech didn't even score! It was the principle. Poor sportsmanship.

[tmustangp]

Here's a good ending:

Ponies are up 10 with just a few seconds left, and we have the ball at the Tech 10-yard line. Have Willis take the snap and turn and sprint -- straight toward the Tech bench. Just before running out of bounds, drop to a knee at the sideline in front of Leach, and then hand him the ball as the whistle sounds.

funny but terrible idea.. do you have any idea what their bench let alone the big DE's chasing him would do.. they would nail him right in the back as he was taking a knee.. the game would be over, why would they care about a 15 yd penalty...

if we have the opportunity to win the game we take a knee and act like we have won there before.. we used to do it, b/c of change in conference we just haven't had the opportunity to do it lately..

its a cliche, but "you act like you have done it before"

[tmustangp]

I suppose the real question is which is worse? Potentially embarrasing someone by trying to score late in a game, or charging across a field and starting a fight because you almost lost by 17 instead of 10?

I have enough faith in those associated with SMU to at least know privately the correct answer here.

no the truth of it was.. bennett knew his team was less talented than tech's and like a big brother who knows his little bro is outmatched he stood up for the team.. To all of us and the team.. Bennett was saying, "I will not tolerate that crap and I will stand up for my team even in the face your '65 18-22 yr old guys',".. all of our fans loved that bennett did that, it showed that he wasn't going to stand for losing like that in the future"...

[KnuckleStang]

The reason everybody laughs at you when Nebraska beats you 56-3 is because everyone knows your coach, given the opportunity, does the same thing, or worse. Duh.

And to mention the name Leach and the word "gentleman" in the same sentence, or the same thought process for that matter, is pretty ludicrous. Seriously, you diminish your credibility on this board and any other board in America by doing that.

[RHS]

The reason everybody laughs at you when Nebraska beats you 56-3 is because everyone knows your coach, given the opportunity, does the same thing, or worse. Duh.

And to mention the name Leach and the word "gentleman" in the same sentence, or the same thought process for that matter, is pretty ludicrous. Seriously, you diminish your credibility on this board and any other board in America by doing that.

You might want to retrace history, KnuckleStang. That was in 2000, long before Leach had a reputation for running up the score. We were laughed at for being a bad team, not because we were repaid for running up the score.

As far as credibility goes, I fully realize Red Raiders aren't going to have a lot of credibility on this board and to be honest, I don't worry about that. You can take me seriously or not, that is your choice. You might be surprised about how many do think Leach is credible and trustworthy. I know he isn't that popular with everyone, but he isn't the most hated man in college football either. He does have a good reputation among recruits.

[Peruna2001]

We were laughed at for being a bad team, not because we were repaid for running up the score.

It wasn't for being a bad team. The reason everybody laughs when Tech loses big is because Tech is full of jerks. Leach just fits the mold. Whether it's running up the score on us, tearing down the uprights and ramming them into a crowd of aggies, or whatever the jerk-act of the day/week/year is, that's the reason nobody likes you. That's the reason they laugh at you when you lose big. Everybody loves to see the bully get what they deserve.
I know there are exceptions. I know quite a few graduates of Tech that are very nice, caring people. However, as a whole, Tech has a reputation.

[tmustangp]

the bottom line is .. Leach is a known drunk and upsessed w/ pirates and a lawyer to boot

[RHS]

We were laughed at for being a bad team, not because we were repaid for running up the score.

It wasn't for being a bad team. The reason everybody laughs when Tech loses big is because Tech is full of jerks. Leach just fits the mold. Whether it's running up the score on us, tearing down the uprights and ramming them into a crowd of aggies, or whatever the jerk-act of the day/week/year is, that's the reason nobody likes you. That's the reason they laugh at you when you lose big. Everybody loves to see the bully get what they deserve.
I know there are exceptions. I know quite a few graduates of Tech that are very nice, caring people. However, as a whole, Tech has a reputation.

When did Tech become the bully? I thought everyone is still making fun of us never winning the SWC outright or the Big 12 yet. Can you guys keep things straight? Everyone is bouncing all over the place in this tread.

Actually, Huskers and Sooners loved us and were very respectful to us, until we beat them. If it takes losing to them for them to respect us, I will much rather take their disrespect. Jayhawks and Wildcats don't seem to have much of a problem with us. And we never seem to have a problem with out of state teams in non conference games. The Indiana State coach last year said Leach showed a lot of class in the game.

As far as the ramming the goal post over Texas A&M fans, don't forget that RC Slocum and three SR starters for the Aggies were telling every reporter that would listen they were going to beat us that year so they could make fun of Tech students and fans while they were on the field. When you talk big, you need to back it up. They talked it up all week and they got what they asked for, they just couldn't score any points in the game. When you talk like that, you better back it up.

Still, they didn't pull any swords on us like they did to your cheerleaders. Thank God for small miracles I guess.

I know we are jerks to Ponies and always will be. SMU was one of the teams who worked so hard to keep Tech out of the SWC because we were too hick way out in redneck West Texas for you guys to be associated with. You guys calling Leach and me a jerk isn't anything new or unexpected.

I'm not trying to convince you guys you need to like us or respect us. I know that isn't going to ever happen. I'm just posting reality of Tech football, who is your opening day opponent.

[ponyboy]

I suppose the real question is which is worse? Potentially embarrasing someone by trying to score late in a game, or charging across a field and starting a fight because you almost lost by 17 instead of 10?

The answer is clear to anyone who has ever coached, played, or even seriously paid attention to football. You don't throw for the end zone when all you have to do is take a knee. It's bad sportsmanship and whoever does it deserves a fistful of knuckles.

Ask *yourself* something honestly. Are you just supporting the jerk because he wins? Thought so.

[ponyte]

As far as the ramming the goal post over Texas A&M fans, don't forget that RC Slocum and three SR starters for the Aggies were telling every reporter that would listen they were going to beat us that year so they could make fun of Tech students and fans while they were on the field. When you talk big, you need to back it up. They talked it up all week and they got what they asked for, they just couldn't score any points in the game. When you talk like that, you better back it up.

Just so I understand. In Lubbock, if 3 of the opponent’s team players and one head coach talk trash, then it is A OK for the Tech fans to assault the opponents' fans with the goal post? Let us just suppose the SMU players and Bennett talk trash next week about Tech (admittedly unlikely) and then lost to Tech (admittedly likely). Can the SMU fans in attendance expect the Tech fans to assault them with the goalpost?

I look forward to playing Tech and will be interested how folks behave after the last meeting between these two teams.

[KnuckleStang]

How many times did Leach have them rehearse the "Exploding Grenade?"

[Peruna2001]

When did Tech become the bully? I thought everyone is still making fun of us never winning the SWC outright or the Big 12 yet. Can you guys keep things straight? Everyone is bouncing all over the place in this tread.

It doesn't take winning to be a bully. Being a bully is picking on somebody while they're down, which is exactly what Tech does. Bullies are not always the toughest guys. They are the guys that pick on those smaller than them (usually because of an inferiority complex that they have). Tech can't be the best, so they might as well be a bully to the rest.

As far as the ramming the goal post over Texas A&M fans...they got what they asked for...

I know it is a little bit of an edit there, but that is exactly what you are saying. I don't think any fans deserve that kind of treatment. If that's the way it works, you might as well arm your students with bats to beat any opposing fans that talk trash. It would save them the time and the school the money from ripping the goal post down.