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Is this Bennett's best recruiting class?Moderators: PonyPride, SmooPower
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I thought Bennett's first class was rated pretty decently in the 30s or so?
Does Stallion have all Bennett class ratings? I think its kinda gone downhill since, but this year I would guess is an uptick? As long as we are making progress on the field, and we are at a snail's pace, I don't think I wanna blow Bennett's team up to start at square 1 again 
His '03 class (which I guess would be considerd his first class since much of his '02 class was inherrited after Cavan's firing) was ranked #62 in the country by rivals. That is his best class to date based on their rating system. '07 #86 '06 #107 '05 #81 '04 #76 '03 #62 '02 #69
Correction, for the time being: SMU 0 4 =4 
Please refresh my memory, who is the TCU four star recruit? What position is he going to play?
Comparing SMU and TCU recruiting is a bit of an inexact science. TCU loses one or two recruits every year to non-qualification, but they also get lucky, too. They win more than the lose of these risk players. These are players that we can't offer under our current system. So, there are some apples and oranges aspects to comparing the two schools. Yes, they are our rival and yes, we are similar in many ways, but we have tougher admission standards for athletes than TCU. Saying that you've signed a four star and getting great numbers on signing day helps you for the next year even if the kid ends up at junior college in August. Its a game we can't play and probably never will again. We can only hope to pull off a Wake Forest or Boise State run with what we've got and then build on that.
I would love to see a rating service that not only takes wild [deleted] guesses at the HS seniors and JUCOs but I would like to see how they rate the individual players on the different rosters. I appreciate the fact that a guys is a 4 star recruit but how does that translate into the fact that he is also a 4 star loser that can't pass a class or has a tendancy to get thrown into jail and off the team. Keep re-rating the classes to see how well a player is really doing would be more useful than this pie in the sky crap.
Take a look at this years Freshmen All-american QB's Justin Willis was a 3-star Colt McCoy was a 3-star Riley Skinner was a great unknown Take a look at the list below and see if you remember any of these guys from 2005 being difference makers. Pro Style 1 Mark Sanchez Southern Cal 2 Jonathan Crompton Tennessee 3 Harrison Beck Nebraska 4 Derek Shaw Arizona State 5 Willie Tuitama Arizona 6 Rob Schoenhoft Ohio State 7 Joe Cox Georgia 8 Arkelon Hall Washington St. 9 Domenic Natale Michigan State 10 Sean Canfield Oregon State 11 Bill Stull Pittsburgh 12 Evan Sharpley Notre Dame 13 Jimmy Barnes Alabama 14 Dustin Sherer Wisconsin 15 Colt McCoy Texas 16 Tavita Pritchard Stanford 17 Chris Turner Maryland 18 Joey Elliott Purdue 19 Jonathan Garner Georgia Tech 20 Chris Todd Texas Tech 21 Donovan Porterie New Mexico 22 Gene Delle Donne Duke 23 Karsten Sween Wyoming 24 Kyle Seevers Boise State 25 Marcel Jones Minnesota Dual Threat 1 Ryan Perrilloux LSU 2 Jake Christensen Iowa 3 Ike Whitaker Virginia Tech 4 Josh Portis Florida 5 Kyle Reed California 6 Chase Daniel Missouri 7 Jimmy Johns Alabama 8 Cameron Sexton North Carolina 9 Michael Greco NC State 10 Zac Robinson Oklahoma State 11 Osaar Rasshan UCLA 12 Jarrett Brown West Virginia 13 Casey [deleted] Arkansas 14 Kerry Meier Kansas 15 Jason Forcier Michigan 16 Jamie McCoy Texas A&M 17 Curtis Pulley Kentucky 18 Kevin Lopina Kansas State 19 Marcus Jones Duke 20 Jameel Sewell Virginia 21 Jared Prince Washington St. 22 Eric Peterman Northwestern 23 Nate Sowers West Virginia 24 Matt Grothe South Florida 25 Mike Kafka Northwestern 26 Houston Jones Iowa State 27 Jabulani Lovelace Rutgers 28 Justin Willis SMU Class of '91
In fairness, that 4-star quit the team after his soph year
Pull your head out of your as* and realize what sort of competition these top rated QBs face to see the field at big time programs. Do you really think that Justin Willis is just that much better than the 27 dual threat QBs ranked ahead of him and thats soley why he had such an impact as a redshirt freshman? Or do you think its because he came into a program that had no established options at QB and was able to start as redshirt freshman, in addition to being a talented player?
Case in point; look at this bio:
Wow, pretty impressive. But look at his college stats. In 33 games with the football team, he completed 20 of 33 passes (60.6 percent) for 192 yards, no touchdowns and one interception. He rushed 11 times for 31 yards (2.8 avg), caught one pass for 12 yards and recorded a tackle. He once had a fractured foot, was moved to backup tight end at one point before moving back to QB his senior year. But, hey, Matt Cassel just had the bad luck of being Matt Leinart's backup. That didn't stop him from having enough talent to be drafted by the Patriots and being their backup qb. He did play most of a game in 2005 against the Dolphins and went 11-20 and two TD's and no interceptions.[/quote]
Stallion, How dare you question our beloved coach with these facts about our recruiting futility in a brand new facility!! Phillip Bennett has likely forgotten more about recruiting than the rest of us ever knew. Willis to slot receiver!
I'm not going to lose much sleep over it. I've said its quite clearly the best recruiting class in the last 4 recruiting classes-he did hit on 5 of my remaining 8-10 or so targets left on the board a month before signing date-so he finished strong. More importantly Bennett has run out of excuses-he will either go to a bowl this year or this was his last recruiting class. I'm betting someone else will be announcing the next recruiting class because of recruiting failures in 2004-2006 not 2007.
Pull your head out of your as* and realize what sort of competition these top rated QBs face to see the field at big time programs. Do you really think that Justin Willis is just that much better than the 27 dual threat QBs ranked ahead of him and thats soley why he had such an impact as a redshirt freshman? Or do you think its because he came into a program that had no established options at QB and was able to start as redshirt freshman, in addition to being a talented player?[/quote] Lighten up Francis! My point is not how great JW is but look at the 3 guys who were the best Freshman QB's in the country last year. Colt McCoy was 9 spots ahead of JW and was just a 3-star. Or go back the year before or the year before that. Amazingly you never hear from many of these top QB's. That is just the easiest position to track. My point is these ratings are just a crap shoot. Kind of like the MLB draft. God knows that there have been plenty of 43rd round guys that turned into All-stars. Class of '91
Thats where I think you are missing the point. It is likely that you will never hear from a lot of these top rated QB's but it is not always because the ratings are a "crap shoot". These top rated QBs going to top rated programs compete for playing time with other guys every bit as good as them. #7 pro style Joe Cox from your 2005 list, committed to Georgia. I have never heard of him and not sure if he is any good or not but the very next year Georgia landed Stafford who was regarded as the top QB prospect in the country. If Stafford develops into a top notch college QB as expected, Joe Cox could end up as the best backup in the country. Kid might be good enough to start on over half of the D1 football programs but you would still never hear from him. And by your thought process that would mean the rankings are a crapshoot bc the #7 ranked QB never had college success but the #15, #25, #42, etc etc did. Simply not true.
Sounds to me like old Joe needs to transfer somewhere.
time will tell if this group becomes Bennett's most productive bunch. I will agree with his comments that it looks like a pretty balanced group, but would have been nice to see another RB in there somewhere. I think the OL signees are key. Remember that we've had some casualties in that area in recent years (Boren & Allison are a couple who come to mind that that we were counting on to contribute in the 2 deep by now).
Baby steps. Looks to me like we continue to take baby steps towards that goal of competing at a top 25 level. Still have a long ways to go, but I'm looking forward to spring ball to see if we can fill some holes vacated by this year's seniors. Let's just hope we see enough improvement to find 7 wins on next year's schedule. That's critical at this point, i.e., that the program keeps moving in the right direction.
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