It's Longhorn season, folks

[Caballo]

If this guy was run down by a security guard, the Longhorns probably does not want him on the team anyway.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

re: "Again, I'm not seeing SMU anywhere on your list of winners there, pal. Good grief, do any of you people even want to win football games???"

Do Notre Dame, TCU, Florida, Clemson, Penn State want to win football games?

How come they win and graduate players at a mucher greater rate than the Longhorns?

SMU is not on that list because SMU was not in the "Top 25" of college football ranked teams.

Quit trying to change the subject and pretend you can only win by
recruiting morons and/or thugs.

The point that list makes is that you can graduate players and have a "Top 25" successful football program.

As the list shows, you can do both!

In other words, you do not have to be like the Texas Longhorns.

[jtstang]

[color=blue]Do Notre Dame, TCU, Florida, Clemson, Penn State want to win football games?

How come they win and graduate players at a mucher greater rate than the Longhorns?

SMU is not on that list because SMU was not in the "Top 25" of college football ranked teams.

Do YOU want SMU to win football games? That is the question. Because the current recruiting methodology is not getting it done.

At Notre Dame, TCU, Florida, Clemson, and Penn State, they do not have to ask the question would you rather win or graduate players, because, as you point out, THEY HAVE SHOWN THEY CAN DO BOTH.

As you also point out, SMU is NOT IN THE TOP 25. We have not shown we can do both. Unfortunately, that is not just me pretending.

So my question to you is, DO YOU WANT TO GRADUATE PLAYERS OR WIN GAMES?

As long as the overall effect on the university's graduation rate was minimal, I have come to the conclusion that I would rather recruit players who can win over players who can graduate. Sorry, but after 20 years of losing, that's where I am.

[2112]

jtstang still did not, or will not answer the question! i thought this thread was about how you and your idle steer, were trying to claim ut and smu, had the same type character people on their teams?

[jtstang]

jtstang still did not, or will not answer the question! i thought this thread was about how you and your idle steer, were trying to claim ut and smu, had the same type character people on their teams?

The question was how come ND, TCU, et al., win AND graduate at a higher rate than UT? The answer is, I don't know. And apparently neither does SMU, given its failure to win with the players it is currently graduating.

And you're wrong as usual, I never said anything about comparing the character of the teams. All I ever said is don't be a hypocrite about ragging on one team's players' misfortune without being willing to examine your own teams' warts as well. If you want to rail on all of the accused lawbreakers, that'll be just fine with me.

Now how about you answer my question: Would you rather win or graduate players, given that the twenty years worth of evidence is pretty conclusive SMU cannot figure out how to do both.

[2112]

it will never be win, or graduate players, at a school like SMU. we should all be proud of that. i would take a formula (close) to what tcu has. you have to admit, that there have been improvements in SMU's struggle for a somewhat level playing field. where is your boy steer? did he get banned finally? he might be the cause of the deleted thread on sunday.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

"Do YOU want SMU to win football games? That is the question"

Yes just like TCU, ND, Florida, Clemson, Penn State, and many others do!

Because the current recruiting methodology is not getting it done.

Obviously, but places like Florida A&M & Univ of
Nevada have had horrible graduation rates and also are not
very good teams.

At Notre Dame, TCU, Florida, Clemson, and Penn State, they do not have to ask the question would you rather win or graduate players, because, as you point out, THEY HAVE SHOWN THEY CAN DO BOTH.

Exactly....they prove we do not have to do what you suggest.

As you also point out, SMU is NOT IN THE TOP 25. We have not shown we can do both. Unfortunately, that is not just me pretending.

And alot of schools that admit morons are also not in the Top 25.
At least we are doing something right.
And as the chart shows, many are doing both.
That should be our goal.

So my question to you is, DO YOU WANT TO GRADUATE PLAYERS OR WIN GAMES?

I want to do both....just like TCU, Florida, ND,
Penn State and a host of other schools.

As long as the overall effect on the university's graduation rate was minimal, I have come to the conclusion that I would rather recruit players who can win over players who can graduate. Sorry, but after 20 years of losing, that's where I am.


It's a good thing TCU, Notre Dame, Penn State, Clemson and so
many other successful programs that graduate players don't have
that same attitude.

[jtstang]

it will never be win, or graduate players, at a school like SMU. we should all be proud of that.

Go ahead and be proud of our grad rate. It's all we've got. I am not ashamed of the grad rate, but this is a football team, and football teams are usually measured by wins and losses.

[jtstang]

As you also point out, SMU is NOT IN THE TOP 25. We have not shown we can do both. Unfortunately, that is not just me pretending.

And alot of schools that admit morons are also not in the Top 25.
At least we are doing something right.
And as the chart shows, many are doing both.
That should be our goal.

And that's you bottom line. At least we are doing something right. I'd rather it be on the football field.

You say regarding doing both, "that should be our goal." Let me ask you this, is it not our goal already? And if so, for how long? Because apparently we only got half of it down.

[2112]

I am not ashamed of the grad rate, but this is a football team, and football teams are usually measured by wins and losses

that is something we can agree on. we have to win, but we don't have to sell our souls to do it.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

"And that's you bottom line. At least we are doing something right. I'd rather it be on the football field"

Yes...but I have shown admitting moron players does not equate to wins.
(see Florida Atlantic, University of Nevada-Las Vegas, San Jose State, ect..)

"You say regarding doing both, "that should be our goal." Let me ask you this, is it not our goal already?"

More recently yes with the addition of Steve Orsini.

"And if so, for how long? Because apparently we only got half of it down"

Well we were one game / one yard short of a bowl last year which would have been our first post-season bowl appearance in more than 20 years.

I call that progress.....and with Team Orsini it will only get better!

[LonghornFan68]

Someone please remind me what graduation rate has to do with success on the field? It seems to me that it's a number thrown around here to make people feel better about this program. When I think football, the firs thing that comes to mind is graduation rate.

Also, according to the AFCA
UT graduated at least 70% of their players last year. A far cry from the 40% cited here. Funny that SMU wasn't on the list

But still, I fail to see how it makes a damn.

The real tragedy here is that yet another kid's life is ruined because of stupid decisions.... regardless of the jersey color on his back. I lament the fact that this has to anyone at school.

(And I have no idea why my text got all weird)

[jtstang]

"You say regarding doing both, "that should be our goal." Let me ask you this, is it not our goal already?"

More recently yes with the addition of Steve Orsini.

"And if so, for how long? Because apparently we only got half of it down"

[color=blue]Well we were one game / one yard short of a bowl last year which would have been our first post-season bowl appearance in more than 20 years.

Winning and graduating players has only been our goal since Orsini got here? Do tell, what was our goal prior to that?

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

Someone please remind me what graduation rate has to do with success on the field?

Well....they are college football players...this isn't the NFL where classes are not required.....college football players are supposed to also attend class and then graduate.

Some schools like Penn State, ND, Florida, Clemson, and others win on the field and also graduate alot more players than schools like Texas. I think it says something about those institutions.

Also, according to the AFCA UT graduated at least
70% of their players last year. A far cry from the 40% cited here.

The rules were recently changed and UT has improved very, very recently...we'll see if it continues.... but as recently as 2005 and 2006 the 40% UT graduation rate was widely reported as shown in the sources below.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2005-12-19-graduation-rate-chart.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2006-09-28-graduation-rates_x.htm


"Funny that SMU wasn't on the list"

http://www.smu.edu/newsinfo/stories/athletics-afca-award-2006.asp



SMU RECEIVES AFCA ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT AWARD
Mustangs Claim National Honor

SMU RECEIVES AFCA ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT AWARD


May 23, 2006

WACO (AFCA) - SMU will receive the American Football Coaches Association's 2006 Academic Achievement Award, which is presented annually by the Touchdown Club of Memphis. The school recorded a 100 percent graduation rate when all members of its freshman class of 2000-2001 earned a degree.

http://smumustangs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/052306aaa.html

"But still, I fail to see how it makes a damn"

Obviously.....but if that is actually true then why don't you ask Mack Brown to then publically state "it don't make a damn how many of my players graduate" and watch the fire storm erupt!

The real tragedy here is that yet another kid's life is ruined because of stupid decisions.... regardless of the jersey color on his back. I lament the fact that this has to anyone at school.

But if certain schools are graduating their players and winning....and not having players get arrested for illegal weapons, carrying pounds of marijuana in their car, beating someone senseless and then hiding in trunks from the police at 3AM, charged with vehicle burglaries, breaking into apartments....ect...ect....don't you think it says something about the institution itself and the kind of characters they are recruiting? Or as Stallion says is it just a total coincidence?

[BIGHORSE]

INSANE PONY, YOU ARE A TRUE AMERICAN

AND A TRUE MUSTANG FAN, WE NEED MORE FANS

LIKE YOU AND LESS LIKE J.T.STEER THE SUNSHINER

FOR THE HORNS, WITH FANS LIKE HIM WHO NEEDS ENEMIES?