Big Ten Expansion? CUSA Impact?

[davish75]

I think a conference looks at the future assets of a prospective school, not their won-loss records in recent years.

For the Big Ten, SMU makes a lot of sense because SMU would suddenly become a hot commodity in a huge, new market area. An added benefit would be that SMU would become a real rival to Texas and Tx A&M for local recruits depleting their chances to win a national championship. That's why a those schools would be against another Texas school for the Big 12.

In addition, SMU would not be a recruiting rival to Ohio State, etc. A final positive factor is that Northwestern needs to have another private school in the league.

[mrydel]

I think a conference looks at the future assets of a prospective school, not their won-loss records in recent years.

For the Big Ten, SMU makes a lot of sense because SMU would suddenly become a hot commodity in a huge, new market area. An added benefit would be that SMU would become a real rival to Texas and Tx A&M for local recruits depleting their chances to win a national championship. That's why a those schools would be against another Texas school for the Big 12.

In addition, SMU would not be a recruiting rival to Ohio State, etc. A final positive factor is that Northwestern needs to have another private school in the league.

I agree with your opening statement, but SMU has no facilities to accomodate a BCS following nor do we have the fan base to support the small facility we have now. Yes, attendance would probably increase if SMU were in a BCS Conference, but our facilities are mid major designed. Even an expansion to 45,000 would not be enough to satisfy the big boys.

[J.T.supporta]

I think we should put all this SMU to Big Ten talk to rest because it would never happen...for so manyreasons.

Conferences also look at traveling within the conference. All those schools in the north would not like to make trips down here.

Would be great for us to move into a BCS conference so we can get a share of that money but it wont be happening.

Missouri has the best chance from the BIG XII, Notre Dame from the indys and Rutgers or Louisville from the Big East. Boise State would be the best bet for the non BCS schools.

[MustangIcon]

I think we should put all this SMU to Big Ten talk to rest because it would never happen...for so manyreasons.

Conferences also look at traveling within the conference. All those schools in the north would not like to make trips down here.

Would be great for us to move into a BCS conference so we can get a share of that money but it wont be happening.

Missouri has the best chance from the BIG XII, Notre Dame from the indys and Rutgers or Louisville from the Big East. Boise State would be the best bet for the non BCS schools.

I think people have gotten a bit side tracked here. The intial conversation mentions that the Big 10 would in fact pull from the Big East or Big 12. If the Big East or Big 12 loses a school, CUSA schools, among others, might be in play to fill a conference void.

I would think Memphis to the Big East or UH to the Big 12 would be most likely if there were a spot open in either of those conferences and they were looking at only CUSA schools.

[J.T.supporta]

well in that case, if the Big Ten pulls from the Big XII NORTH then it would be a matter of finding a spot for a team in the NORTH and not the South...so I find it hard for a Texas school being added to the Big XII if a team like Mizzou moved to the BT.

I would guess that Colorado State would get the spot. Sure CSU is not the biggest or most talked about school in the Nation but they do have a strong in-state rivalry with CU.

[LonghornFan68]

Wait, wait, wait. It was my understanding that the SEC and the Big XII were the two most profitable conferences last year. If true, why the hell would Mizzou leave the Big XII for the Big 10? Maybe it was a one-year anomaly, but that would be a major move for what I would think would amount to only a few bucks more a year. But I could be wrong.

Besides, Mizzou has their rival in Kansas in their current conference and they have many of their 'other' rival schools in that conference as well. I just don't see much incentive for them to leave, unless of course I'm wrong about the conference revenue totals.

[EastStang]

If Missouri goes it would create tensions in the Big XII. If a Texas team was targetted, then an Oklahoma Team or Texas Team would have to move north. That would undoubtedly mean that new team, OSU , Baylor or TT would be told to move. That would create lots of gas inside of the Big XII where there's already an angry Nebraska who won't want another northern patsy. As far fetched as it sounds the departure of Missouri could fracture the Big XII. And if that happened imagine if the Big XII south, plus Nebraska and Colorado decided to kiss and make up with former SWC teams. And the remaining three Big XII north teams might go to the MWC together with Boise, or perhaps unite with CUSA which might be a good move with Kansas and Memphis in basketball. There are lots of interesting ripples here. I'm not even going into what would happen if Arkansas moved to the Big XII. That would ripple through the SEC, ACC, BE, MAC and CUSA. And if the Big Ten looked east and took Rutgers, Syracuse or Pitt, what would the BE do? Would they add one team like a Memphis which doesn't really do much for their football brand? Do they try and shoot the moon and add five teams from CUSA and the MAC hoping to keep their BCS status by sheer numbers? Whatever happens, there is no doubt that it will be interesting to see what unfolds if ND doesn't accept a Big Ten bid.

[LonghornFan68]

well in that case, if the Big Ten pulls from the Big XII NORTH then it would be a matter of finding a spot for a team in the NORTH and not the South...so I find it hard for a Texas school being added to the Big XII if a team like Mizzou moved to the BT.

I would guess that Colorado State would get the spot. Sure CSU is not the biggest or most talked about school in the Nation but they do have a strong in-state rivalry with CU.

Actually, I could see a scenario where TCU was added to the south and OU was moved to the North division to give it more strength. Not saying they'd do that, but I could imagine it.

[LonghornFan68]

If Missouri goes it would create tensions in the Big XII. If a Texas team was targetted, then an Oklahoma Team or Texas Team would have to move north. That would undoubtedly mean that new team, OSU , Baylor or TT would be told to move. That would create lots of gas inside of the Big XII where there's already an angry Nebraska who won't want another northern patsy. As far fetched as it sounds the departure of Missouri could fracture the Big XII. And if that happened imagine if the Big XII south, plus Nebraska and Colorado decided to kiss and make up with former SWC teams. And the remaining three Big XII north teams might go to the MWC together with Boise, or perhaps unite with CUSA which might be a good move with Kansas and Memphis in basketball. There are lots of interesting ripples here. I'm not even going into what would happen if Arkansas moved to the Big XII. That would ripple through the SEC, ACC, BE, MAC and CUSA. And if the Big Ten looked east and took Rutgers, Syracuse or Pitt, what would the BE do? Would they add one team like a Memphis which doesn't really do much for their football brand? Do they try and shoot the moon and add five teams from CUSA and the MAC hoping to keep their BCS status by sheer numbers? Whatever happens, there is no doubt that it will be interesting to see what unfolds if ND doesn't accept a Big Ten bid.

If my statement about overall revenue is correct, I can't see ANY of that being anywhere close to reality. IF.

[jtstang]

I think a conference looks at the future assets of a prospective school, not their won-loss records in recent years.

For the Big Ten, SMU makes a lot of sense because SMU would suddenly become a hot commodity in a huge, new market area. An added benefit would be that SMU would become a real rival to Texas and Tx A&M for local recruits depleting their chances to win a national championship. That's why a those schools would be against another Texas school for the Big 12.

In addition, SMU would not be a recruiting rival to Ohio State, etc. A final positive factor is that Northwestern needs to have another private school in the league.

How many mushrooms did you eat today?

[J.T.supporta]

So no matter what happens, if the BT takes a BCS conference school away from their old conference, problems will be occuring.

I highly doubt any of this will happen in the next 3 years. I think that this was only brought up as a possibility when all the NCAA playoff talks started to happen the past week and a half ago.

[mustangnation]

well in that case, if the Big Ten pulls from the Big XII NORTH then it would be a matter of finding a spot for a team in the NORTH and not the South...so I find it hard for a Texas school being added to the Big XII if a team like Mizzou moved to the BT.

I would guess that Colorado State would get the spot. Sure CSU is not the biggest or most talked about school in the Nation but they do have a strong in-state rivalry with CU.

Actually, I could see a scenario where TCU was added to the south and OU was moved to the North division to give it more strength. Not saying they'd do that, but I could imagine it.

No chance they split up OU/UT or OU/ OSU. By moving OU to the north it would cause those games to not be played every year. The only team that has a chance to move from the South to the North would be Baylor. I guarantee that the Big 12 North will have no part of that. If the Big Ten takes a team from the Big 12 I believe that it will be Iowa State because geographically it makes sense and they already have a annual rivalry with Iowa. If that happens, the Big 12 North will add either Colorado State or Boise State.

[J.T.supporta]

You are right about that because North and South teams cycle 3 teams in opposite divisions each year. So the BIG XII will not be moving a South team to the North.

I think the whole point of this is for each conference to end up with a title game at the end of each football season. Its all about realigning for the better of college football but this probably wont come to reality until 2010

[LonghornFan68]

well in that case, if the Big Ten pulls from the Big XII NORTH then it would be a matter of finding a spot for a team in the NORTH and not the South...so I find it hard for a Texas school being added to the Big XII if a team like Mizzou moved to the BT.

I would guess that Colorado State would get the spot. Sure CSU is not the biggest or most talked about school in the Nation but they do have a strong in-state rivalry with CU.

Actually, I could see a scenario where TCU was added to the south and OU was moved to the North division to give it more strength. Not saying they'd do that, but I could imagine it.

No chance they split up OU/UT or OU/ OSU. By moving OU to the north it would cause those games to not be played every year. The only team that has a chance to move from the South to the North would be Baylor. I guarantee that the Big 12 North will have no part of that. If the Big Ten takes a team from the Big 12 I believe that it will be Iowa State because geographically it makes sense and they already have a annual rivalry with Iowa. If that happens, the Big 12 North will add either Colorado State or Boise State.

True. I didn't think that one all the way out.

[PhirePhilBennett]

EastStang -

I think that the Big Ten (assuming ND says no privately again) would go after a Big East team like Rutgers or Syracuse (mentioned in the article).

* Pitt doesn't bring much - Penn State is the dominant program in PA.
* Iowa State - Adds few TV sets.
* Missouri - A good candidate (in between St. Louis and Kansas City)

Rutgers (NJ and NYC Metro) and Syracuse (upstate NY with NYC Metro interest) could bring the largest additional TV audiences to the Big Ten.

An important factor to the Big Ten could be membership in the Association of American Universities - Iowa State, Rutgers, Syracuse and Missouri are all members...side note --- Rice, Texas A&M and UT are also members.

http://www.aau.edu/aau/members.html

Syracuse would get the nod over any east teams.

Nebraska and Missouri would be geographical B12 teams for B10 to get

Ark and CSU would be the first to be considered by B12 (though why would Ark leave SEC?).

SEC is likely to invade Aggieland and form a 14 team conference, don't rule that out, becore ARK leaves SEC.

Memphis would be the best CUSA team to join the B12

TCU will rejoin CUSA one day