Richard Bartel?

[ponyboy]

Hey, I ask the questions around here

He said that we are "still an unsuccessful football program by any measure." Freshman All-American and Manning Candidate at QB. Second best record since the DP last year at 6-6. Picked by at least one outlet to win CUSA. Those are signs of success.

[jtstang]

Look, I know where you are coming from, and believe me, I wish I could parlay signs of success into success as you have. But those things do not equal success for most of the frustrated fans on this board. I'm sorry, I really am, but these signs don't make it for most of us.

[ponyboy]

I never said the signs were sufficient. I won't be satisfied until we win the National Championship ten years in a row. But those are undeniable signs of success.

[jtstang]

I never said the signs were sufficient. I won't be satisfied until we win the National Championship ten years in a row. But those are undeniable signs of success.

I respectfully disagree. A sign of success is not being picked to win a conference, but winning it. Not being a candidate for an award, being an award winner. Not breaking even, breaking through and having a winning record. Beating NTSU and Rice last year like we should have would have been a sign of a return to possible success for this program. What we had would have been diappointing had I had any expectations. But to the extent you think we are on the verge of success, I hope you are right.

[PK]

How about "signs of progress" along the road to success? I think it got a catchy ring to it.

[Otto]

.... I did hear the other day that Bartel looked better in minicamps....

Maybe you mean training camp? I met someone who was at the team's only mini-camp in the spring, and he said Bartel took exactly zero snaps in team drills (threw in one-on-one stuff, but that was it).

[JesuitPony]

Bartel just got in the game against the Colts. Two handoffs in a row.