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[LonghornFan68]

I did not know about the ownership issue... what I do know is -

It is now a separate entity that is no longer run by the methodist church. Save for Perkins, perhaps....

Google UMC, universities. Do people in Texas go to school?

Hey, Texas schools are ranked ahead of those in AZ, so don't start.

OK, what Texas school is rated higher than ASU.

I was talking about public school systems, not colleges. But hey, I'll bite:

Texas Schools in Top 125 (according to US News):
17. Rice University(TX)
44. University of Texas—Austin
62. Texas A&M University—College Station
67. Southern Methodist University(TX)
75. Baylor University
108. Texas Christian University

Arizona Schools in Top 125 (according to US News):
96. University of Arizona
124. Arizona State University

Forgive me if I seem unimpressed.

So what were we talking about again?

[Phxfan]

Actuallly the UMC does not OWN SMU. It happens to have the right to appoint a plurality of the Board of Trustees which is a staggered term board. That is why the UMC can't impact the GWB Library. For one thing, trustees appointed for a term cannot be removed except for misconduct, not on how they vote. I believe that one of the UMC Trustees is non other than Laura Bush. The UMC keeps its hands off approach except if something really bad happens (as in the death penalty when the Board of Governors which was not permitted under the Universities by-laws seemed to be running the show), the Church acts. In this case, as well in the Bush Library case the UMC won't interfere. They let the Hari Krishnas hold moon festivals on the Main Quad at SMU, and the UMC didn't let that bother them. I forgot, "Open Hearts, Open Doors, Open Minds, the UMC."

SMU is legaly owned by the UMC. What is the problem. Methodist. UMC owns the property and everything on it.

[jtstang]

They don't own the beer on the 'vard.

[OC Mustang]

Actuallly the UMC does not OWN SMU. It happens to have the right to appoint a plurality of the Board of Trustees which is a staggered term board. That is why the UMC can't impact the GWB Library. For one thing, trustees appointed for a term cannot be removed except for misconduct, not on how they vote. I believe that one of the UMC Trustees is non other than Laura Bush. The UMC keeps its hands off approach except if something really bad happens (as in the death penalty when the Board of Governors which was not permitted under the Universities by-laws seemed to be running the show), the Church acts. In this case, as well in the Bush Library case the UMC won't interfere. They let the Hari Krishnas hold moon festivals on the Main Quad at SMU, and the UMC didn't let that bother them. I forgot, "Open Hearts, Open Doors, Open Minds, the UMC."

SMU is legaly owned by the UMC. What is the problem. Methodist. UMC owns the property and everything on it.

You have swam past the buoys, Chief. The UMC does not "own" the university. It can't legally, as SMU operates under it's own non-profit legal structure, and a non-profit MAY NOT own another non-profit. Now, the UMC may own a portion or all of the LAND under which the university sits. However, I suspect that the LAND and buildings are held in some sort of trust.

According to SMU historical documents, a commission was formed that created the university complete with an independent charter. The commission was sunset upon completion of the first buildings in 1911 and turned over to the university. Certain trustees were to be appointed by the South Central Jurisdiction of the Methodist Church, but that is the ONLY governing link between the two independent bodies.

The UMC may exercise influence upon its appointed board members, but under no circumstances does that constitute ownership. There is an assumption among many Methodist ministers and scholars that the church has authority over the school. That is, in fact, false. The documents prove that in a meaningful way, and any claim to the contrary is simply folly.

Phxfan, you are at best a court case from being wrong. However, it will never come to that. Or it shouldn't anyway.

[ponyboy]

They don't own the beer on the 'vard.

Liquid assets were excluded from the original grant.

[Phxfan]

They don't own the beer on the 'vard.

Yes they do. I just happened to think this was a football board, So if there is a Texas school ranged higher ASU please tell me. I gave the #'s. I want SMU to be back. I don't hate ASU. In 1986 SMU played ASU. I saw ASU fans throgh monopoly $ on the SMU players. My heart sunk as much as a 30 yr, old heart could sink.

[jtstang]

If you are going to be an SMU fan, you need to get a sense of humor.

[Phxfan]

Actuallly the UMC does not OWN SMU. It happens to have the right to appoint a plurality of the Board of Trustees which is a staggered term board. That is why the UMC can't impact the GWB Library. For one thing, trustees appointed for a term cannot be removed except for misconduct, not on how they vote. I believe that one of the UMC Trustees is non other than Laura Bush. The UMC keeps its hands off approach except if something really bad happens (as in the death penalty when the Board of Governors which was not permitted under the Universities by-laws seemed to be running the show), the Church acts. In this case, as well in the Bush Library case the UMC won't interfere. They let the Hari Krishnas hold moon festivals on the Main Quad at SMU, and the UMC didn't let that bother them. I forgot, "Open Hearts, Open Doors, Open Minds, the UMC."

Yes the UMC owns Southern METhODIST university, SMU is legaly owned by the UMC. What is the problem. Methodist. UMC owns the property and everything on it.

You have swam past the buoys, Chief. The UMC does not "own" the university. It can't legally, as SMU operates under it's own non-profit legal structure, and a non-profit MAY NOT own another non-profit. Now, the UMC may own a portion or all of the LAND under which the university sits. However, I suspect that the LAND and buildings are held in some sort of trust.

According to SMU historical documents, a commission was formed that created the university complete with an independent charter. The commission was sunset upon completion of the first buildings in 1911 and turned over to the university. Certain trustees were to be appointed by the South Central Jurisdiction of the Methodist Church, but that is the ONLY governing link between the two independent bodies.

The UMC may exercise influence upon its appointed board members, but under no circumstances does that constitute ownership. There is an assumption among many Methodist ministers and scholars that the church has authority over the school. That is, in fact, false. The documents prove that in a meaningful way, and any claim to the contrary is simply folly.

Phxfan, you are at best a court case from being wrong. However, it will never come to that. Or it shouldn't anyway.

[ponyboy]

You don't say.

[perunapower]

Enough bickering.

From wikipedia.org:

"Southern Methodist University (commonly SMU) is a nationally recognized, private, coeducational university in University Park, Texas (an enclave of Dallas). Founded in 1911 by the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, SMU currently operates campuses in Dallas, Plano, and Taos, New Mexico. SMU is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction of the United Methodist Church."

From smu.edu:

# Founded in 1911 by what is now The United Methodist Church, SMU opened in 1915 with support from Dallas leaders. The University is nonsectarian in its teaching and committed to freedom of inquiry.

# SMU’s Board of Trustees includes a representative of the Faculty Senate, Alumni Board and student body.

[Nacho]

Can we call ourselves South Central U. Has a tougher ring to it.

[OC Mustang]

Enough bickering.

From wikipedia.org:

"Southern Methodist University (commonly SMU) is a nationally recognized, private, coeducational university in University Park, Texas (an enclave of Dallas). Founded in 1911 by the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, SMU currently operates campuses in Dallas, Plano, and Taos, New Mexico. SMU is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction of the United Methodist Church."

From smu.edu:

# Founded in 1911 by what is now The United Methodist Church, SMU opened in 1915 with support from Dallas leaders. The University is nonsectarian in its teaching and committed to freedom of inquiry.

# SMU’s Board of Trustees includes a representative of the Faculty Senate, Alumni Board and student body.

Wiki is wrong.

[Stallion]

I too thought that SMU severed all but ceremonial ties with the Methodist Church-I remember it came up several times in discussions during the DP and with regard to the Bush Library. I don't think that they have control of the university anymore but that SMU recognizes a ceremonial role.

[perunapower]

"SMU is owned by the South Central Jurisdiction of The United Methodist Church. However, from its founding, SMU has been nonsectarian in its teaching. Management is vested in a Board of Trustees comprising civic, business, education, and religious leaders who represent various faiths and geographic areas."

https://guildhall.smu.edu/news/facts.htm

Here's a good number of sources.

http://www.answers.com/topic/southern-methodist-university?cat=travel

[Dukie]

I thought SMU was only now loosely affiliated with the methodist church. Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. (is that at a legal statement or what?). SMU as well as several other universities are owned in full by the UMC. Some of the universities are Duke, Syracuse, Boston Univ. and to some extent Northwestern Univ. The Methodist church, founded among others, USC.

This is why the GWB library is having such a hard time getting onto the SMU campus. The church must OK this thing.

Other Methodist-founded schools include Vandy and Emory. Duke, fyi, no longer has any affiliation whatsoever with the UMC.