Somebody's lying

[thefamousguy]

.....and he's daring them to deny it. In the courtroom when unrebutted credible facts are alleged or unrebutted evidence is presented then that evidence must be accepted as true if not denied. I'm sure they had access to a microphone if they wanted to deny it.

This was the story of the Day it seems to me. Once again SMU is sending an Athletic Director out hopefully to hire a big name Head Coach without laying the foundation on which the AD can look those candidates in the Eye and tell them that SMU can compete on an even level with its opponents. Orsini will be grilled on these issues since the problem is conventional wisdom in the Coaching industry. In fact, if the major in Education apparently isn't even on the board then a real solution is years away as in probably after we fire the next coach. Coaches know that a problem solved 3 years down the line won't fully show up on the field for 7-8 years. Barnett, Bowden, Neuheisal, Mason, Gill and any top candidate with options will likely turn this job down because once again SMU failed to properly build the Model necessary to compete BEFORE SMU hired a Coach.

The result-top candidates decline and SMU is saddled with second or third rate options

Step 1 is to put a Model in place to allow you to compete on an even basis with your natural and traditional rivals
Step 2 is the hire the best Coach possible
Step 3 is for that Coach to recruit the best players possible.

SMU is back-[deleted]-backwards

Phil threw the real fans of a strong athletic program a bone with that comment.

Bennett was being honest about the lack of an education major affecting some recruits decisions but the perception that SMU is losing out on all the top quality athletes because their admission standards need to be lowered is completely false. Orsini addressed that when he said he hasn't been presented with one athlete who wanted to come to SMU and was concerned about being admitted.

Once again, the problem isn't totally due to the athletes Bennett failed to sign. The problem is the lack of results Bennett produced with the talent he has. You will see that next season.

As far as recruiting goes we need the next coach to be able to convince the better athletes who don't want to major in education to come to SMU. There are plenty.

It is important for SMU to do whatever it takes to improve THE MODEL but until it's where it needs to be it should not be an excuse for not at very least winning 7 games against a very average to below average schedule.

[Statler]

well, it is very eyebrow raising. Bennett said it in such a way to be very emphatic...ie "and Steve and Gerald know this". If he lies, he lies with conviction.

They don't call him Svengali Phil for nothin'

[Stallion]

the facts are demonstratively otherwise, we are beaten in football and basketball by the same players you say SMU doesn't need. You will soon find prospective Head Coaches do not agree with you either. SMU recruits can only be described as mediocre to well below average-has been that way every year for 20 years. Whether judging by Rivals, pro prospects, championships, bowl games or NCAA Tourneys the SMU program and its recruits fall without question in the bottom 20% of the talent pool in football and average to mediocre in the blotted Division 1A in BB and certainly in Texas. Your conventional wisdom simply has no basis in fact and you never bother to provide any evidence for your uninformed generalizations. There is not a single player on the SMU Football Team that deserves First Team All conference consideration other than a walk-on Punter.

[thefamousguy]

the facts are demonstratively otherwise, we are beaten in football and basketball by the same players you say SMU doesn't need. You will soon find prospective Head Coaches do not agree with you either. SMU recruits can only be described as mediocre to well below average-has been that way every year for 20 years. Whether judging by Rivals, pro prospects, championships, bowl games or NCAA Tourneys the SMU program and its recruits fall without question in the bottom 20% of the talent pool. Your conventional wisdom simply has no basis in fact and you never bother to provide any evidence for your uninformed generalizations.

I can pull at least 5 players from TCU's roster where their final decision came down to SMU and TCU. These are athletes that were qualified for admission to SMU but they chose TCU. Bennett was outsold, period.

By the way I follow recruiting pretty closely. I don't toot my own horn about it like you Stallion but I know a thing or two. I didn't just pull these players from TCU's roster because they are from Dallas. I remember specific quotes from these particular athletes with regard to their decision to go to either TCU or SMU. Bennett was outsold by Gary Patterson.

Henry Niutei Euless

Marshall Newhouse LakeHighlands

Donald Massey Hillsboro Brother was on the team and we still couldn't sell him

Nick Richmond Garland South Garland High School

Tejay Johnson

http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl ... l-mtt.html

also several TCU players are Communications majors and SMU has a great Communications department.

[SMUer]

http://www.smu.edu/teacher_education/un ... cation.asp

I really don't understand why Orsini and Bennett made that "lack of education major" comment. It isn't true. There is a brand new School of Education and Human Development at SMU and undergraduate students who are interested in education may take EDU 2350 Educational Psychology as a prerequisite for other EDU graduate level courses and actual field work. A student may then choose to get certified with SBEC by taking their TExES. He/She may instead or additionally choose to earn graduate degrees in Education at SMU. It's already there folks! Can't understand why they both missed that...

[Stallion]

So now you are smarter than the Head Coach and AD? As for TCU those players went to TCU based on the sucess of TCU over a string of 10 years which was built with marginal recruits like Ladanian Tomlinson and have had a string of Division 1A Transfers from BCS programs starting over 10 years ago-about 6 of which were first string All-Conference players. TCU also built its program in the first few years by taking chances on numerous players that were not qualified on signing date and even TCU fans sweated out their eligibility until fall drills. Others were non-qualifiers admitted after attending prep schools and community colleges to erase non-qualifying scores. TCU BB program's success and domination of SMU over a decade under Tubbs was built flatly on JUCO transfers that predominated their lineup. You recruit 85 players -not 5 -and the decisions of those players was widely influenced by the success of the TCU program during the preceding 10 years while SMU hands have been tied behind their back. You do not have a clear understanding of the SMU/TCU programs-how old are you?

[SMUer]

Haha...it has nothing to do with pretending to be smarter than the AD or HC..I simply went to the SMU website and looked up the program. I can do it. You can do it. Orsini and Bennett can do it. New recruits can do it. Let me help you out.

Step 1) Highlight this link >>http://www.smu.edu/teacher_education/undergradcertification.asp<<
Step 2) Paste it into your browser address window and press the "enter" key
Step 3) Read

Now you are suddenly better informed than both Bennett or Orsini, Vuola!

[Stallion]

since you read Rivals and cite Rivals why don't you tell us SMU's composite recruiting ranking over the last 4 years.

[smu96]

http://www.smu.edu/teacher_education/undergradcertification.asp

I really don't understand why Orsini and Bennett made that "lack of education major" comment. It isn't true.

They are correct. There is no education major at SMU. Quoted from your link:

"At SMU, students do not major in education. Rather, they pursue a program of work which includes an academic major as well as the various other requirements for a degree."

[Roach]

since you read Rivals and cite Rivals why don't you tell us SMU's composite recruiting ranking over the last 4 years.

Seriously? That's what you're for. Nobody else considers Rivals to be the gospel.

(EDIT: Suddenly my signature seems just a little funnier than it did before.)

So now you are smarter than the Head Coach and AD?

Someone has tried to convince us for years that you are — why can't SMUer be?

[SMUer]

Yes and no. SMU offers a program for undergraduates to participate in graduate level classes and classroom environments to prepare them for teaching certification, and also offers EDU graduate programs at all levels. But it is true that there is not EDU major in Dedman. Still, there is not PreMed major at SMU either and it still attracts PreMed students. The entire goal of a EDU program would be to prepare students to take their cert. tests (that's what actually makes you a teacher, not a degree). SMU offers a pretty awesome program that exposes students to graduate level educational courses as well as environment experience. If you're serious about teaching, it's an excellent program. If you're really serious, you already have connections with their grad school for graduate degrees in education. So again, Yes and No.

[SMUer]

Again, and at any school, an EDU degree is basically the sames as a liberal arts degree without the student completing their certification tests or going on and earning their PhD or Masters. I'd compare it to the PreMed program at SMU in design...only PreMed students don't have the advantage of having a graduate school to accompany their program like EDU kids have.

[SMUer]

Smu96 is right. Bennett and Orsini were correct that there was no EDU major...but it isn't true that they don't have a focused undergraduate EDU program and a brand new EDU grad school. I guess I'm surprised that neither of them mentioned that. Both of them are should be so used to selling SMU that they should jump all over the chance to mention the wonderful facility/staff that they have created especially for students interested in education.

[thefamousguy]

So now you are smarter than the Head Coach and AD? As for TCU those players went to TCU based on the sucess of TCU over a string of 10 years which was built with marginal recruits like Ladanian Tomlinson and have had a string of Division 1A Transfers from BCS programs starting over 10 years ago-about 6 of which were first string All-Conference players. TCU also built its program in the first few years by taking chances on numerous players that were not qualified on signing date and even TCU fans sweated out their eligibility until fall drills. Others were non-qualifiers admitted after attending prep schools and community colleges to erase non-qualifying scores. TCU BB program's success and domination of SMU over a decade under Tubbs was built flatly on JUCO transfers that predominated their lineup. You recruit 85 players -not 5 -and the decisions of those players was widely influenced by the success of the TCU program during the preceding 10 years while SMU hands have been tied behind their back. You do not have a clear understanding of the SMU/TCU programs-how old are you?

Look Einstein, we all know TCU has had more success than SMU over the last 10 years regardless of how they got it. It is our coach's job to overcome that in the selling process. That is no excuse for getting outrecruited. If that were a valid excuse you would never have the parody you see amongst teams that do recruit on a so called level playing field. Miami would never have a down year, Penn State wouldn't lose players to Rutgers, etc.

Also, to quote you from this past weekend you told me"ONE PLAYER MAKES A TEAM" those were your exact words. Which is it 1 player, 5, or 85?

You will be a very humble man next season Stallion when the very same athletes who are 1-7 this year are winning games. I CAN NOT WAIT! BY THE WAY I AM 34 AND KNOW PLENTY ABOUT THE TCU/SMU PROGRAMS. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO PLAYED FOR BOTH.

[SoCal_Pony]

So now you are smarter than the Head Coach and AD? As for TCU those players went to TCU based on the sucess of TCU over a string of 10 years which was built with marginal recruits like Ladanian Tomlinson and have had a string of Division 1A Transfers from BCS programs starting over 10 years ago-about 6 of which were first string All-Conference players. TCU also built its program in the first few years by taking chances on numerous players that were not qualified on signing date and even TCU fans sweated out their eligibility until fall drills. Others were non-qualifiers admitted after attending prep schools and community colleges to erase non-qualifying scores. TCU BB program's success and domination of SMU over a decade under Tubbs was built flatly on JUCO transfers that predominated their lineup. You recruit 85 players -not 5 -and the decisions of those players was widely influenced by the success of the TCU program during the preceding 10 years while SMU hands have been tied behind their back. You do not have a clear understanding of the SMU/TCU programs-how old are you?

Brilliant Retort...doubt there will be a repy to it...if so, it will be as ill-thought out as the original post...

Oh...and one other fact for the Sunshiners...over the past 20 years, only Duke, Fla Int'l, Kent, Temple and Buffalo have worst records in FB than SMU.

Duke, Kent and Temple's success in BB is well documented...ours is not...