For those who question Johnson's ability to recruit Texas

by **Stallion** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:40 pm

What I see is 160 players on the Roster about 90% more than allowed on a Division 1A Roster-doesn't count the 50 or so Players each year they run through their Prep Academy.

by **bigdaddy08091** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:40 pm

Dwan wrote:How come coaches before Johnson at Navy went 1-20 and the other service academies blow as well?

Because they sucked. Nobody said PJ was not a good coach, but we have a nuecleus of players that do not fit his scheme. We also live and recruit in a part of the country where spread and throw it are famous. We have spread offense QB's all over the NCAA. The spread offense also does not produce an option RB. It produces a read option RB. The blocking schemes are different amd the read by the running backs are different.

by **Hoop Fan** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:45 pm

i dont know, it seems risky. He will not draw fans to Ford, and its questionable what he could do here. I thought we were going bigger. Nice coach, but is this really "shooting high"? I think we need a persona, not just a tactical football mind. We definitely need more than a guy who can X and O.

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:51 pm

he will draw fans if he wins...

by **bigdaddy08091** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:57 pm

J.T.supporta wrote:
bigdaddy08091 wrote:
mt327 wrote:There are currently 29 players from Texas on Navy's roster.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footba ... 2007/navy/

Navy midshipman, and I am proud of all of them. Give me the background of the 29 players you are referring to.

look at the roster yourself and read the bios...about half are sophomores/freshmen and didnt have bios but the ones that did have pretty good Highschool years in Texas.

I want the people posting this [deleted] to back up what they are saying with some evidence. I can pull it up JT, but why? I didn't post the crap. Truth of the matter is, none of the Navy players were recruited at all by an D1 school. Which means nothing, because once you start the process of trying to get into one of the academies you are pretty much off limits to the rest of the football world.

by **George S. Patton** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:59 pm

bigdaddy08091 wrote:
J.T.supporta wrote:
bigdaddy08091 wrote:
mt327 wrote:There are currently 29 players from Texas on Navy's roster.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footba ... 2007/navy/

Navy midshipman, and I am proud of all of them. Give me the background of the 29 players you are referring to.

look at the roster yourself and read the bios...about half are sophomores/freshmen and didnt have bios but the ones that did have pretty good Highschool years in Texas.

I want the people posting this [deleted] to back up what they are saying with some evidence. I can pull it up JT, but why? I didn't post the crap. Truth of the matter is, none of the Navy players were recruited at all by an D1 school. Which means nothing, because once you start the process of trying to get into one of the academies you are pretty much off limits to the rest of the football world.

Unless a Tulane, Rice, New Mexico State..etc get desperate and have to fill out their recruiting class.

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:59 pm

only evidence that is needed is 5 bowls and winning records... everything else is meaningless. Not to mention they play a nice schedule....

by **bigdaddy08091** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:02 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:only evidence that is needed is 5 bowls and winning records... everything else is meaningless. Not to mention they play a nice schedule....

Nick, nobody said PJ was not a good coach ( for the third time), he is just not good for what we have here at this time. He is also not good for the area that we live.

by **OC Mustang** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:07 pm

bigdaddy08091 wrote:
NickSMU17 wrote:only evidence that is needed is 5 bowls and winning records... everything else is meaningless. Not to mention they play a nice schedule....

Nick, nobody said PJ was not a good coach ( for the third time), he is just not good for what we have here at this time. He is also not good for the area that we live.

I can't believe it. You have been here a little over a year, and you almost have me on posts. Geez. (sorry to change subject, but since nobody noticed I went over 1000, I figure I have to point it out myself...too bad nobody cares when Stal & Co. go over 10,000)

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:08 pm

I think he is perfect.... undersized RBs and mobile QBs who dont accurately throw the football... seems to me like all the puzzle piece are already in place....

by **Stallion** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:10 pm

What I find telling is that the Naval Prep Academy never publishes a roster of their team. Yet when you search for stories on Navy players they inevitably say they started at the Naval Prep Academy. I posted a story about I believe the 2004 Navy starting lineup that said half their players started at the Naval Prep Academy. They run huge numbers of players through their Varsity and Prep teams-they are not restricted by NCAA rules on recruiting, roster limits plus they have their academies. As I posted earlier the Navy Roster has 160 players-about 90% above NCAA restrictions. Assuming 160 on their Varsity Roster and say 50 on their Prep Roster per year then during a 4 year period that is 360 sleepers they can run through their rosters-that's over 15 players for each position on the field. The Academy Model has lead to something like 23 Bowl Games (if Navy and Air Force go bowling this year) since SMU last went to a Bowl Game. The last 7 or so transfers to SMU from these Academies/Prep Schools have immediately started at SMU. I posted the backup on this within the last 2 months-find it if you don't believe me. Once again SMU is picking a Coach who has built his program on a Model that does not fit logically with the requirements of the SMU job.

by **George S. Patton** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:11 pm

bigdaddy08091 wrote:
NickSMU17 wrote:only evidence that is needed is 5 bowls and winning records... everything else is meaningless. Not to mention they play a nice schedule....

Nick, nobody said PJ was not a good coach ( for the third time), he is just not good for what we have here at this time. He is also not good for the area that we live.

Well, if Mr. Bennett his staff lived up to the either/or of either get the program to a bowl or get fired, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Sir, you do not know if this is going to work. Neither do I.

by **NickSMU17** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:14 pm

I think it will be easier to sell recruits SMU than Navy... with or without prep academy.... so if he can upgrade players by even a bit and then implement a system with the players he has, seems like we should be perenial conf. USA contenders....

by **KnuckleStang** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:29 pm

Stallion, unlike you, I am by my own admission not a recruiting expert. But for the love of baked ham, please don't try to tell me that it is more difficult to recruit and win at SMU than it is to recruit and win at a Service Academy. I know that you are smarter than that. In a time of war? Have you gone completely out of your mind? In terms of recruiting (and everything else), he would be like a kid in a candy store at SMU compared to where he's been.

Bottom line is, he's played a tougher schedule than us, with tighter recruiting restriictions than us, and he's gone bowling 5 years in a row.

by **SMU2007** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:01 am

Stallion is an idiot. I'm not sure having a lot of posts on a fan message board and criticizing a team that's bad anyway makes you any kind of expert on anything. It's easy to say that we will be bad - because we have been for 20 years. way to go out on a limb...you are so wise

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